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Jamie McLennan: "Mike Smith is an elite goalie"

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05-14-2012, 01:32 PM
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Not sure is sarcasm or just typo.
? I can understand if your read it the other way, but whatever.

Jim Carey in '95-96 (amongst goalies playing 25+ games):
15th in save percentage
0.008 above league average

Mike Smith in '11-12:
4th in save percentage
0.016 above league average

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Is Halak an elite goalie up with quick, Thomas, and lundqvist?
There is your answer.
My opinion is no until he proves me next year and probably the year after.
not quite the same. Halak had a giagantic playoffs but was only above average that season. Smith was amazing in this past regular season as well. Don't disgaree with the overall conclusion, just the example.

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Yea no.

One word on why he is who he is: Tippett.

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If he keeps it up he will be Canada's starting goaltender in Sochi.
Not if his current play prevents Canada from having another team.

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I'll clear something up, Smith is just having a good year, hes good, but not this good, hes having a good year, also Tippett's system is good with goalies, he naturally boosts playing level by alot, but Sean Burke has a good system too which is also doing well boosting their playing level.

Fernandez W/Houston, won Turner Cup
Did well with Jamie Storr and the other LA goalies as an Assistant
Dallas he did super well with Turco who is now pretty bad
Phoenix with Bryzgalov and now Smith

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I think this is a big leap, considering Mike Smith is one season removed from being in the conversation for worst goalie in the NHL.

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Did JM also say he's firing on all cylinders?

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The Mike Smith threads next year will be interesting when he doesn't keep up a .930 save percentage and people wonder what the hell happened.

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1st good NHL season as a starter and amazing playoff run = Elite goaltender?

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Mike Smith's always had a really high talent level, but that doesn't mean his improvement doesn't mostly have to do with the system around him.

The more I watch Phoenix and Smith's more athletic saves, the more I realize that the shooter only has one option in most of these situations. If Smith overcommits, well, there is no backdoor to make him pay (this was a problem in Tampa). Tippet really has his guys playing smart around Smith.

Edit: I want to be clear that I believe Smith's a good tender who's finally being put in a situation to succeed, unlike say, Elliot, who was put in a regular season situation in which it would have been nearly impossible to fail.

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Smith was a scrub not too long ago. Wasn't Thomas too until his late 30's though? As a goalie, Smith has plenty of time to establish himself as an elite. It will take more than one good season however.
Yeah. How soon most people forget. Thomas was NOT always the Tim Thomas we have come to know. Players develop at different stages. There is no set career path or pattern that is identical for every player.

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05-14-2012, 10:09 PM
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Right now he's playing like an elite goalie, and McLennan is just being a fan.

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He's certainly played very well this season, but to say he's a elite is getting a bit carried away with the hyperbole. Though to be fair compared to Jamie McLennan's career Mike Smith probably does look elite.

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05-15-2012, 04:48 PM
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not quite the same. Halak had a giagantic playoffs but was only above average that season. Smith was amazing in this past regular season as well. Don't disgaree with the overall conclusion, just the example.
Sorry, but no. Halak wasn't only "above average" that season.

He had the 4th best SV% in the entire NHL with .924 and Smith was 3rd in the NHL this year.

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Smith has had a pretty weird course to the top. He looked awesome in Dallas and was a rising star there, gets traded to Tampa where he is really good before he gets concussed. After the concussion he seems to be off, and that causes him to gradually lose all confidence in himself. I think having Phoenix believe in him, and having Sean Burke help him has been an absolute blessing. He absolutely has all the physical gifts to be one of the best 'tenders in the league.
I think a lot of people forget or ignore the bold. He's always had the potential (hell, he was the centerpiece used by Dallas to acquire Brad Richards).

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I think a lot of people forget or ignore the bold. He's always had the potential (hell, he was the centerpiece used by Dallas to acquire Brad Richards).
I agree that he looked good in Dallas and did indeed looked like he could become better, but it was still very early in his career (unlike, say, Rask or Schneider nowadays, who have played a larger sample of games--although I guess not much in Schneider's case). He was 24 when he played his first game in the NHL, which isn't awful, but a bit late. It's no secret that TP was terribly managed at the time, and was looking to shed salary as quickly as possible. The trade is a pretty bad measuring stick in this case.

I think he was badly surrounded in Tampa, but most of all, badly coached. He played few games under Torts, and played mostly under Tocchet and Melrose.

So again, the reality probably lies somewhere in the middle.

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