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05-14-2012, 01:46 PM
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What about a 1 for 1 swap with Kessel for Staal?

Is that too many point per game players on one team?

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05-14-2012, 01:48 PM
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What about a 1 for 1 swap with Kessel for Staal?

Is that too many point per game players on one team?
Staal isn't worth Kessel, I wouldn't ask or expect Burke to do that if I was Ray Shero.

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Macarthur is a 50point guy who can also play a two way game.
Not a huge MacA fan. He's not bad, but I'd much rather go after Kulemin (both for the Russian connection, and that he did hit 30 before and could likely do so again - especially along side an elite center, and he's sound defensively). As for Kadri, if he could play wing, then sure why not. He's young and has upside. However would be content with Bozak to fill the 3C role.

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What about a 1 for 1 swap with Kessel for Staal?

Is that too many point per game players on one team?
The point of getting Staal would be to get someone to play with Kessel. Leafs say no to that deal, and it probably makes Pittsburgh's cap situation complicated.

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Why don't you take out Kadri and MacArthur and add Kulemin and Bozak?

We could use Kulemin as a LW with Malkin and Bozak could be a solid 3rd line center replacement for Staal.
I can see that happening then we could put Colborne on the 3rd line to replace bozak and see what he can do, a lot leaf fans including me like Kulemin and love his potential but to be able to get our #1C that what it's going to cost and if I was burke I would offer those and Schenn for Staal

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Nikolai Kulemin
Tyler Bozak
Luke Schenn
2012 1st (5th overall)
2012 2nd (35th overall)




Jordan Staal
Scott Harrington
2012 1st (22nd overall)

?

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Not a huge MacA fan. He's not bad, but I'd much rather go after Kulemin (both for the Russian connection, and that he did hit 30 before and could likely do so again - especially along side an elite center, and he's sound defensively). As for Kadri, if he could play wing, then sure why not. He's young and has upside. However would be content with Bozak to fill the 3C role.
I feel Macarthur is an under rated player he works hard and goes in the dirty areas and Kadri does play the wing and that might be where he is expected to play in his career

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Nikolai Kulemin
Tyler Bozak
Luke Schenn
2012 1st (5th overall)
2012 2nd (35th overall)




Jordan Staal
Scott Harrington
2012 1st (22nd overall)

?
I think you put Harrington in there to make me happy

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I feel Macarthur is an under rated player he works hard and goes in the dirty areas and Kadri does play the wing and that might be where he is expected to play in his career
Look, MacArthur is a decent player but you're not going to get Staal with him and Kadri as centerpieces. It starts with Kulemin, the 5th overall and goes from there.

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As an aside, it is really not about the cap space, though gaining some cap space is always nice.

If it were all about the cap, the Pens could easily resign Staal. The sole reason people are speculating is the thought that Staal wants a first or second line title before his name. He plays the minutes of a first line center, but some think that he does not like being called a third line center. Or playing with mostly mediocre quality wings, though on the Pens that pretty much the norm on every line except for Neal.

Maybe they are right. But if he wanted to stay, at a cap figure similar or a bit more than say Neal took, the Pens could easily fit him under the cap.

For that reason, the Pens are not going to take a lot of scraps for him, it would take a pretty quality offer. The Pens have zero real pressure to do so absent a quality offer. And if his role is the reason for wanting a move, there are likely a number of teams that would fit Staal's idea of role and he likely could be signed.

I still believe that it is a better than 50/50 chance that Staal resigns with the Pens.

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05-14-2012, 02:11 PM
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It is always fun to watch fellow Pens fan's underestimate the value that Jordan Staal has with other GM's throughout the league. Thankfully Ray Shero is the GM of the Pens and I know Staal won't be traded to anyone unless something substantial comes in return.

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It is always fun to watch fellow Pens fan's underestimate the value that Jordan Staal has with other GM's throughout the league. Thankfully Ray Shero is the GM of the Pens and I know Staal won't be traded to anyone unless something substantial comes in return.
You know nothing. Anything posted here is simply speculation. But since you're apparently buddy-buddy with Shero, and have something that none of your fellow Penguin fans do (since you're calling them out), why don't you tell us what he's looking for?

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Nikolai Kulemin
Tyler Bozak
Luke Schenn
2012 1st (5th overall)
2012 2nd (35th overall)




Jordan Staal
Scott Harrington
2012 1st (22nd overall)

?
I doubt Toronto will trade their pick again this season.

What about


Kulemin's RFA rights (Winger for Crosby or Malkin)
Schenn (Young physical D that the Pens lack)
Bozak (replacement 3rd line center)
Kadri (Good prospect. Could be switched to another prospect but still has to be a really good one)


Staal (Leafs get the big all around center they've lacked since Sundin left)
Tangradi (I still like him. He has good size and talent. Bylsma just isn't a fan of his for whatever reason. He needs a change of scenery. No better place than to the team that has the GM that drafted him.)

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If the Leafs are in on Staal. I see these assets as not available.

Phaneuf
Kessel
Grabo
Gardiner
2012 1st
2013 1st

I think anyone else is available.

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You know nothing. Anything posted here is simply speculation. But since you're apparently buddy-buddy with Shero, and have something that none of your fellow Penguin fans do (since you're calling them out), why don't you tell us what he's looking for?
What we know is that Shero has never gotten anything less than fantastic value in every big trade he's made. A grab-bag of other teams' disposable assets isn't going to entice him.

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You know nothing. Anything posted here is simply speculation. But since you're apparently buddy-buddy with Shero, and have something that none of your fellow Penguin fans do (since you're calling them out), why don't you tell us what he's looking for?
Ray Shero's track record with trades is what I go by and none of these proposals seem like anything he would do.

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If the Leafs are in on Staal. I see these assets as not available.

Phaneuf
Kessel
Grabo
Gardiner
2012 1st
2013 1st

I think anyone else is available.
I personally think only Phaneuf would be off the table. Pen fans don't see interested in Kessel, doubt Grabbo works for them either since although it could work out, part of the reason for trading Staal is cap issues and Grabbo doesn't help that. Gardiner looks good and I think is available, but won't come cheap at all. The first rounders I think would be available for someone like Staal, fans would hate him for it but I think Burke is open to trading them for someone who he thinks could be their top center.

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If the Leafs are in on Staal. I see these assets as not available.

Phaneuf
Kessel
Grabo
Gardiner
2012 1st
2013 1st

I think anyone else is available.
The only things on that list, I could see us go after are 2012 1st and Gardiner. Not sure how much of a dealbreaker the 1st being off the table would be, but Gardiner doesn't seem to be one, at least not to Pens fans.

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If the Leafs are in on Staal. I see these assets as not available.

Phaneuf
Kessel
Grabo
Gardiner
2012 1st
2013 1st

I think anyone else is available.
agreed, keep those guys outta the burgh lol

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If the Leafs are in on Staal. I see these assets as not available.

Phaneuf
Kessel
Grabo
Gardiner
2012 1st
2013 1st

I think anyone else is available.
The 5th overall has to be on the table if Burke wants Staal.

Schenn is a former 5th overall, who is struggling and shows the potential risk of keeping that 2012 pick. Moving it for Staal is less risky for Burke (who won't trade for Staal unless he talks to his agent first about a new deal).

Kumy is a risk, the 5th overall is a risk, Kadri is a risk, Schenn is a risk.

Burke will be asking Shero to give up a proven player who is only 23 years old and about to come into his own, for a package of risky players and a pick that may or may not pan out... Or that could take 5 years to "maybe" develop like Schenn hopefully may by next season.

I can't see any deal for Staal with the moveable pieces Tor has, without the 5th in there to convince Shero to take a risky deal like the one Burke will offer.

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What if the Leafs take Martin off your hands? Just assume that Martin would want to waive. I don't know what Pens fans think of him, but I thought he was terrible this season. but I'd rather have him than Komisarek. Komisarek would be dumped elsewhere in this trade.

Schenn+Kulemin for Staal+Martin.

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Nikolai Kulemin
Tyler Bozak
Luke Schenn
2012 1st (5th overall)
2012 2nd (35th overall)

Jordan Staal
Scott Harrington
2012 1st (22nd overall)
The fact that I'd be hesitant to do that, makes me think it's actually not that bad. Would obviously rather keep Harrington and the 1st, but what's coming back should compensate for that...

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Ray Shero's track record with trades is what I go by and none of these proposals seem like anything he would do.
Every GM, including Shero, has made good and bad trades. Let's not act like he's got the Midas touch on every deal.

So if none of these proposals sound like a Shero move, what would be?

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Every GM, including Shero, has made good and bad trades. Let's not act like he's got the Midas touch on every deal.

So if none of these proposals sound like a Shero move, what would be?
This will be the biggest trade of the Shero regime; he knows he can't **** it up.

Assuming he decides to move Staal of course.

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Sorry for being so late to the party, but why all the attention for Staal? I know he's a great player coming off of a great run, but why would anyone believe he's available? Why aren't we all assuming Pittsburgh is just going to hang onto him?

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