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05-14-2012, 02:41 AM
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Detroit Red Wings Prospects

First off, I dont want this to seem like a "bash Detroit thread" however, im wondering if prospects get overrated once they are drafted by the Red Wings.

We all know they were able to draft players like Datsyuk, Zetterberg and Franzen in late rounds, and honestly if the Red Wings truly knew how good these players would be they wouldnt of waited until the later rounds to draft them. It seems like everytime they grab a European player in the 3rd or 4th round he is suddenly an amazing prospect with great potential. However, if another teams drafted him, I doubt the hype would be the same.

As a Flames fan im in no position to bash drafting, so im honestly not intending to do so.

I know the Wings have high hopes for players like Smith/Nyquist/Tatar/etc, it just seems like its been a while since one of their prospects actually had a major impact with the team.

I do think the Red Wings have a good prospect base, considering where they have finished in the standings the past few years, its just my opinion that there prospects can sometimes be overrated.

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Is this a stealth " Detroit is finally declining" thread?

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First off, I dont want this to seem like a "bash Detroit thread" however, im wondering if prospects get overrated once they are drafted by the Red Wings.

We all know they were able to draft players like Datsyuk, Zetterberg and Franzen in late rounds, and honestly if the Red Wings truly knew how good these players would be they wouldnt of waited until the later rounds to draft them. It seems like everytime they grab a European player in the 3rd or 4th round he is suddenly an amazing prospect with great potential. However, if another teams drafted him, I doubt the hype would be the same.

As a Flames fan im in no position to bash drafting, so im honestly not intending to do so.

I know the Wings have high hopes for players like Smith/Nyquist/Tatar/etc, it just seems like its been a while since one of their prospects actually had a major impact with the team.

I do think the Red Wings have a good prospect base, considering where they have finished in the standings the past few years, its just my opinion that there prospects can sometimes be overrated.
They take development very seriously and like to take projects, unless you're Franzen you will be stuck in the minors for a long time

If it weren't for the last two drafts there might be a point made of being overrated

2010: Sheahan, Jarnkrok, Pulkkinen, Mrazek
2011: Jurco, Ouellet, Sproul, Tvrdon

Especially for 2011, it looks like they're easily the draft winners

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05-14-2012, 03:18 AM
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It's not just Zetterberg, Datsyuk and Franzen.

Out of the top-20 scorers on the team this year, 15 were drafted by the Wings.

Out of the top-10 scorers, there's one 1st rounder.

the top-5 scorers' draft numbers are 210 (Z), 171 (Dats), 95 (Flip), 97 (Franzen), 58 (Hudler)

Detroit is one sick organization, which ever way you wish to look at it.

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They're pretty overrated, people automatically give all their picks high grades

Since 2005, they've drafted two role players, Helm and Abdelkader and have gotten little else

Their last draft that netted more than 1 decent player was 2002

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05-14-2012, 03:32 AM
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They take development very seriously and like to take projects, unless you're Franzen you will be stuck in the minors for a long time

If it weren't for the last two drafts there might be a point made of being overrated

2010: Sheahan, Jarnkrok, Pulkkinen, Mrazek
2011: Jurco, Ouellet, Sproul, Tvrdon

Especially for 2011, it looks like they're easily the draft winners

2011 draft winners?

Posts like this are the reason for this thread.

Draft winners, less then a year after the draft?

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2011 draft winners?

Posts like this are the reason for this thread.

Draft winners, less then a year after the draft.


Did I really have to add "as of right now" for people like you?

Notice I said "looks" not just "they are"

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They're pretty overrated, people automatically give all their picks high grades

Since 2005, they've drafted two role players, Helm and Abdelkader and have gotten little else

Their last draft that netted more than 1 decent player was 2002
This.

The stigma that goes with being a European Detroit Red Wings draft pick is evident.

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Did I really have to add "as of right now" for people like you?

As of right now?

Even from a Flames point of view, id argue it.

Baertschi + Gaudreau (PPG player for the National Championship Boston College Team) + Brossoit (MVP for the WHL Chmapionship Edmonton Oil Kings) + Granlund

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Aside from Jarnkrok their highly touted have all been playing in NA before being drafted

Gaudreau is also 5'6, and it's not like Brossoit didn't have one of the best team in the CHL in front of him

Baertschi? He's definitely top 10, but he was picked 13th overall

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Aside from Jarnkrok their highly touted have all been playing in NA before being drafted
Pulkkinen?

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Pulkkinen?
Pulkkinen isn't highly touted anymore

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Aside from Jarnkrok their highly touted have all been playing in NA before being drafted

Gaudreau is also 5'6, and it's not like Brossoit didn't have one of the best team in the CHL in front of him

Baertschi? He's definitely top 10, but he was picked 13th overall
Gaudreau is no longer 5'6, had one less point then then Kreider, while being 28 months younger and has tons of room to grow.

Brossoit was one of the reasons for Edmonton being the best team in the WHL, dont let the fact that he is a Flames prospect blind you though.

Omg, Baertschi was the 13th overall pick.....and?

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Pulkkinen?
Pulkkinen is arguably not even a top ten prospect in the organization.

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Pulkkinen isn't highly touted anymore
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"Not highly touted"


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Gaudreau is no longer 5'6, had one less point then then Kreider, while being 28 months younger and has tons of room to grow.

Brossoit was one of the reasons for Edmonton being the best team in the WHL, dont let the fact that he is a Flames prospect blind you though.

Omg, Baertschi was the 13th overall pick.....and?
I really think it's blinding yourself

This is a thread about drafting right?

Your agenda seems clear

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Pulkkinen is arguably not even a top ten prospect in the organization.
#Detroit Red Wings Problems

"Great prospect in 2011"

"Arguably not even a top 10 prospect in 2012"


Reason this thread was made.

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I really think it's blinding yourself

This is a thread about drafting right?

Your agenda seems clear
Drafting? Its about prospects, hence the title.

My agenda? Its available in the first post of the thread.

Sorry if Red Wing defenders are getting mad at me for giving my opinion.

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#Detroit Red Wings Problems

"Great prospect in 2011"

"Arguably not even a top 10 prospect in 2012"


Reason this thread was made.
I'm guessing you know very little about Pulkkinen. It's pretty obvious this is just a "Bash Detroit" thread, even though you claim it's not.

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I'm guessing you know very little about Pulkkinen. It's pretty obvious this is just a "Bash Detroit" thread, even though you claim it's not.
I know he had a great year in 2010/2011, but didnt play as well this year.

Its not a "Bash Detroit" thread, as ive already stated, the Red Wings prospects are fine.

They are overhyped though. IMO.

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Just to state again, im not bashing Detroit at all, im jealous that they have been such a good team and still have a solid prospect base.

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They take development very seriously and like to take projects, unless you're Franzen you will be stuck in the minors for a long time

If it weren't for the last two drafts there might be a point made of being overrated

2010: Sheahan, Jarnkrok, Pulkkinen, Mrazek
2011: Jurco, Ouellet, Sproul, Tvrdon

Especially for 2011, it looks like they're easily the draft winners
LoL this post is a prime example of what the OP is talking about. If Ouellet Sproul or Tvrdon were drafted by any other team, we wouldnt even know there names.

And looking like the Draft winners come on, thats just ridiculous.

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LoL this post is a prime example of what the OP is talking about. If Ouellet Sproul or Tvrdon were drafted by any other team, we wouldnt even know there names.

And looking like the Draft winners come on, thats just ridiculous.
Who can say they are the draft winners until they start playing in the pro's. Problem with that is most won't see NHL time for another 3-6 years. If you were to take a look at how they performed this year compared to their draft year I would say as a whole they looked like they had a great draft in 2011.

Jurco - 2nd rd 35th - 1.42 points a game compared to .93 the year before.
Ouellet - 2nd rd 48th - .952 points a game compared to .641 the year before.
Sproul - 2nd rd 55th - .885 points a game compared to .54 the year before.
Quine - 3rd rd 85th - 1.05 points a game compared to .81 the year before.
Tvrdon - 4th rd 115th - 1.23 points a game compared to .91 the year before.
Houdon - ?
Backman - 5th rd 146th - Made the jump to the Swedich elite league and averaged 16:21 TOI. Also won gold at the WJ.
Nedomlel - 6th rd 175th - .64 points a game compared to .15 the year before.
Marchenko - 7th rd 205th - Was playing over 13:00 minutes a game in the KHL before he was injured. Would of also been on the Russian WJ team.

It looks like they had a great draft in 2011 as pretty much every player has progressed in their development. Does this mean they will all be NHL players. Absolutely not but as far as looking at draft classes this early they had one of the best so far.

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Who can say they are the draft winners until they start playing in the pro's. Problem with that is most won't see NHL time for another 3-6 years. If you were to take a look at how they performed this year compared to their draft year I would say as a whole they looked like they had a great draft in 2011.

Jurco - 2nd rd 35th - 1.42 points a game compared to .93 the year before.
Ouellet - 2nd rd 48th - .952 points a game compared to .641 the year before.
Sproul - 2nd rd 55th - .885 points a game compared to .54 the year before.
Quine - 3rd rd 85th - 1.05 points a game compared to .81 the year before.
Tvrdon - 4th rd 115th - 1.23 points a game compared to .91 the year before.
Houdon - ?
Backman - 5th rd 146th - Made the jump to the Swedich elite league and averaged 16:21 TOI. Also won gold at the WJ.
Nedomlel - 6th rd 175th - .64 points a game compared to .15 the year before.
Marchenko - 7th rd 205th - Was playing over 13:00 minutes a game in the KHL before he was injured. Would of also been on the Russian WJ team.

It looks like they had a great draft in 2011 as pretty much every player has progressed in their development. Does this mean they will all be NHL players. Absolutely not but as far as looking at draft classes this early they had one of the best so far.
to answer your ? Philippe Hudon is utter ****.

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