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08-06-2012, 03:13 PM
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Having watched Knight and Griffith for the last few years... one is committed and one isn't when it come to on ice play. Griffith needs to be more committed in his own end. To often he'd cheat and fly the zone before he teammates had control of the puck and that left his teammates high and dry in there own end.

Knight plain and simple got the short end of the stick in London. But he won hardest working Knight in all 4 years he was in London.... I don't think anyone has ever done that before.

I believe you'll see a different Knight come training camp... the kid has been physically ready since he was drafted. With his boxing training he'll be confident in something that he wasn't in before. Right now he can be used if he were to make it out of camp on 3 different lines and be able to fit in well with all 3... something he couldn't have done last year.

I like what Griffith brings inside the offensive zone but there's alot that needs to happen for him to be a better player something Knight has going for him already. Needs to be smarter and not take selfish penalties which happens more then it needs to be. He's a good penalty killer but needs to understand the puck has to be out of the zone before you.
didn't know he won that award- I'm not sure how the workouts he is doing (much more than boxing but that is in there) will translate on the ice but if he is able to take on the middle weights like say Steve Ott it will be huge because it will be skill player vs skill player. I really hope he goes after Ott with a full tank of oxygen if Steve starts to get edgy.

As someone who dabbled in boxing and judo and other stuff its not something that guarantees success on the ice- however, if your mind and thoughs are those of fearless, focused, and your body and especially hands/shoulders can deliver the goods then Knight could provide a very interesting element.

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didn't know he won that award- I'm not sure how the workouts he is doing (much more than boxing but that is in there) will translate on the ice but if he is able to take on the middle weights like say Steve Ott it will be huge because it will be skill player vs skill player. I really hope he goes after Ott with a full tank of oxygen if Steve starts to get edgy.

As someone who dabbled in boxing and judo and other stuff its not something that guarantees success on the ice- however, if your mind and thoughs are those of fearless, focused, and your body and especially hands/shoulders can deliver the goods then Knight could provide a very interesting element.
It's all about confidence... When Jared fought before he used his strength to get the upper hand then he'd throw punches... now he can go into a situation knowing he's ready... plus he'll be playing against men now that know what they're doing something a little different from fighting teenagers.

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Thanks sooshii. The players ranked thus far are:

30. Colby Cohen, D
29. Alexander Fallstrom, RW
28. Ryan Button, D
27. Tyler Randell, RW
26. Matt Bartkowski, D
25. Adam Morrison, G
24. Justin Florek, LW
23. Lane MacDermid, LW
22. Craig Cunningham, LW
21. Tommy Cross, D
20. Anthony Camara, LW
19. Matt Grzelcyk, D
18. Kevan Miller, D
17. Rob O’Gara, D
16. David Warsofsky, D
15. Niklas Svedberg, G
14. Seth Griffith, RW
13. Mike Hutchinson, G
12. Carter Camper, C
11. Max Sauve, LW

Unranked

Lars Volden, G
Cody Payne, RW
Colton Hargrove, RW
Ben Sexton, C
Nic Tremblay, C
Mark Goggin, C
Matt Benning, D

Graduated or not ranked due to age

Jordan Caron, RW
Anton Khudobin, D
Chris Bourque, C/W
Jamie Tardif, RW
Christian Hanson, C

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Thanks sooshii. The players ranked thus far are:

30. Colby Cohen, D
29. Alexander Fallstrom, RW
28. Ryan Button, D
27. Tyler Randell, RW
26. Matt Bartkowski, D
25. Adam Morrison, G
24. Justin Florek, LW
23. Lane MacDermid, LW
22. Craig Cunningham, LW
21. Tommy Cross, D
20. Anthony Camara, LW
19. Matt Grzelcyk, D
18. Kevan Miller, D
17. Rob O’Gara, D
16. David Warsofsky, D
15. Niklas Svedberg, G
14. Seth Griffith, RW
13. Mike Hutchinson, G
12. Carter Camper, C
11. Max Sauve, LW

Unranked

Lars Volden, G
Cody Payne, RW
Colton Hargrove, RW
Ben Sexton, C
Nic Tremblay, C
Mark Goggin, C
Matt Benning, D

Graduated or not ranked due to age

Jordan Caron, RW
Anton Khudobin, D
Chris Bourque, C/W
Jamie Tardif, RW
Christian Hanson, C
so that leaves dougie, spooner, koko, knight, subban, krug, trotman, ferlin, chudinov and gothberg.

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Four goaltenders in the top 15.

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Bruins Top 10 Prospects - Preseason

Here is the final installment in Kirk's prospect rankings at NEHJ: http://www.hockeyjournal.com/blog/ki...rankings-_10-1

Many thanks Kirk. It's going to be fun to see all the Bruins prospects as they develop. For me this is the best prospect group I've seen in a very long time.

Top 10

10. Zane Gothberg, G
Projection: Solid NHL starter, quality backup

9. Zach Trotman, D
Projection: No. 3 or 4 two-way middle-pairing D-man and PP point man.

8. Brian Ferlin, RW
Projection: Third line power winger with offensive upside.

7. Torey Krug, D
Projection: No. 3 or 4 offensive defenseman and PP/PK specialist

6. Maxim Chudinov, D
Projection: No. 2 or 3 two-way defenseman who can play in any situation.

5. Malcolm Subban, G
Projection: Top-echelon NHL starter or bust

4. Alexander Khokhlachev, C/W
Projection: Second-line winger, third-line center and special teamer.

3. Jared Knight, RW
Projection: Third-line, two-way forward with scoring ability, jam and character.

2. Ryan Spooner, C
Projection: Second-line center and PP ace.

1. Dougie Hamilton, D
Projection: Boston’s best prospect on defense in decades has it all: size, skating ability, a big shot, good hockey sense and the will to compete. Hamilton has all the physical tools to be an NHL star one day.

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Albeit it's nice to know we have some jam and character in the pipe, this looks like a pretty thin prospect pool overall. Not taking anything away from the B's and I suppose if we weren't spoiled by the Seguin / Hamilton picks we may have a couple other mid 1st rounders near the top, but this does look pretty thin.

To think that the top 10 includes late round picks and "gifted" picks in Hamilton / Knight as well as UFA signings (Krug) is pretty disappointing for me. I like the fact they are finding quality guys in the later rounds but at the same time it indicates here that their drafting where they have a quality pool of players has been spotty at best. I know, glass half full view (one of those days) but on the list, I'd be surprised if more than 5 players actually play meaningful minutes for the B's (Hamilton, Knight, Spooner, MacDermid, Subban).

Going out on a limb here - still think Knight as a solid 3rd line winger in the mold of Kobasew +. I know, I know, he's got more than a AAAA skillset but I just don't find him that creative with the puck on his stick and that will kill his production in the NHL. Spooner as a Savard "light" guy (don't see 30/80 anywhere near the B's gameplan - more 20/55) which is OK, MacD as a 4th liner for 10 points and 100 PIM, Subban as a boom or bust as Kirk stated.

For the others, when you have a N° 8 prospect in a program that doesn't deliver much in the way of NHL talent who isn't physical but protects the puck well, I think you have issues. We already have that as a ++ over Ferlin in Caron and look how hard it's been for him to crack the lineup...

Good thing is we have the studs and budget to fill gaps via FA so not all is half full. B's are looking good overall but Chia needs to improve the drafting in the event the CBA cuts budget and/or opens up new rules for RFA/UFA status protecting franchises that draft well.

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Here is the final installment in Kirk's prospect rankings at NEHJ: http://www.hockeyjournal.com/blog/ki...rankings-_10-1

Many thanks Kirk. It's going to be fun to see all the Bruins prospects as they develop. For me this is the best prospect group I've seen in a very long time.

Top 10

10. Zane Gothberg, G
Projection: Solid NHL starter, quality backup

9. Zach Trotman, D
Projection: No. 3 or 4 two-way middle-pairing D-man and PP point man.

8. Brian Ferlin, RW
Projection: Third line power winger with offensive upside.

7. Torey Krug, D
Projection: No. 3 or 4 offensive defenseman and PP/PK specialist

6. Maxim Chudinov, D
Projection: No. 2 or 3 two-way defenseman who can play in any situation.

5. Malcolm Subban, G
Projection: Top-echelon NHL starter or bust

4. Alexander Khokhlachev, C/W
Projection: Second-line winger, third-line center and special teamer.

3. Jared Knight, RW
Projection: Third-line, two-way forward with scoring ability, jam and character.

2. Ryan Spooner, C
Projection: Second-line center and PP ace.

1. Dougie Hamilton, D
Projection: Boston’s best prospect on defense in decades has it all: size, skating ability, a big shot, good hockey sense and the will to compete. Hamilton has all the physical tools to be an NHL star one day.
I think Brian Ferlin and Max Sauve are really almost as good as our other forward prospects, save perhaps Ryan Spooner.

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I think Brian Ferlin and Max Sauve are really almost as good as our other forward prospects, save perhaps Ryan Spooner.
Hardly breaking news here, but would I be wrong in saying that if Sauve can`t stay healthy, will he be one of those that Chia will have to try and move or what if he could even find a team willing to pick up an injury prone player??? Anyone who`s seen him play all seem to say the same thing, great skill, brittle as all get out, or unlucky??

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never seen krug play...will he get time with the big club and can anyone give me some insight into his game? he sure looks small.

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never seen krug play...will he get time with the big club and can anyone give me some insight into his game? he sure looks small.
he played a couple of games with the Bruins last season...he looked pretty steady back there. I did not once say "c'mon Krug!!" like I used to say with kampfer....except with kampfer instead of..well you get it. I thin that he has the poise and hockey sense to play in the NHL. Will he be an impact player for us...dunno. But I am hopeful based his short stint.

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Thought Dougie and Subban looked solid today

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If Knight ends up as an NHL 3rd liner that gives the B's 20+ goals, a solid D game and forecheck, and some special teams play I would be pretty happy with that.

Based on my limited viewing of Knight and from in depth conversations with others, I am going to disagree with your hypothesis about JK only being a better pro if he's in the Top 6. The reason I am a big fan of Knight's is that like Marchand, I think he is capable of cutting his NHL teeth in the Bottom 6 before hopefully moving into a Top 6 role eventually.

I am convinced that even if Knight is limited to the 3rd line in the NHL on a good team, his game is better suited for the Pros than Jrs, something that definitely cannot be said for a guy like Griffith.

As B's draftees, I will be rooting for both players, but will be stunned if Griffith is a better pro than Knight. Only time will tell at this point. Personally, I would like to see Knight come in and kick a$$ during Camp and grab a spot, just so I don't have to hear all the bit**ing about him being a bust like I did with Marchand.
Fair points GD! Let's hope it all works out for both! I firmly believe JK will be a better pro than SG, just that if it's on the third line, on a good team 20 plus goals isn't always likely, with apologies to Kelly. I think he needs to be top six with someone to give him the puck with speed. He doesn't create much in close in terms of dekes etc., but his shot is great if he gets clear!

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Don't know how many here were fans 10-15 years ago but heard a great comparison on Jared Knight yesterday- Adam Deadmarsh.

Interesting.

If Knight ends up that without the concussions ...I can see it though, great call

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Don't know how many here were fans 10-15 years ago but heard a great comparison on Jared Knight yesterday- Adam Deadmarsh.

Interesting.

If Knight ends up that without the concussions ...I can see it though, great call
I was thinking Deadmarsh was a lot bigger, but then looked him up, and he and Knight are almost identical size (Deadmarsh, 6 foot, 196, Knight 5'11", 195).

If Knight can turn into Adam Deadmarsh, I'll be overjoyed. Hopefully a little longer career though.

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I was thinking Deadmarsh was a lot bigger, but then looked him up, and he and Knight are almost identical size (Deadmarsh, 6 foot, 196, Knight 5'11", 195).

If Knight can turn into Adam Deadmarsh, I'll be overjoyed. Hopefully a little longer career though.
Knight's stats in development camp were 5'10.5 and 205 lbs...fact not opinion

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Fair points GD! Let's hope it all works out for both! I firmly believe JK will be a better pro than SG, just that if it's on the third line, on a good team 20 plus goals isn't always likely, with apologies to Kelly. I think he needs to be top six with someone to give him the puck with speed. He doesn't create much in close in terms of dekes etc., but his shot is great if he gets clear!
Knight like Marchand before him will end up a top 9 forward likely categorized as a second line player who will put up similar number to Marchand and be able to drop the gloves

also, Spooner has been spending quite a bit of time working out himself and although still low 180's he should be stronger and more physically mature this camp- he'll never be like Knight that is not his game but he should be able to hold up his end of battles and maintain positioning and puck possession much better

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Knight like Marchand before him will end up a top 9 forward likely categorized as a second line player who will put up similar number to Marchand and be able to drop the gloves

also, Spooner has been spending quite a bit of time working out himself and although still low 180's he should be stronger and more physically mature this camp- he'll never be like Knight that is not his game but he should be able to hold up his end of battles and maintain positioning and puck possession much better

Don't know about the glove dropping for Knight. Haven't seen that much in junior so I'd be worried about that when playing against pros. But I'm pumped to see all the kids develop!

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Don't know how many here were fans 10-15 years ago but heard a great comparison on Jared Knight yesterday- Adam Deadmarsh.

Interesting.

If Knight ends up that without the concussions ...I can see it though, great call
With sakic as a tyler seguin comparison when he was drafted, this could work out perfect. I loved the 90's-early 2000's avs.

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Don't know how many here were fans 10-15 years ago but heard a great comparison on Jared Knight yesterday- Adam Deadmarsh.

Interesting.

If Knight ends up that without the concussions ...I can see it though, great call
Wow...that was 15 years ago? I have also heard comparisons to Randy Burridge. That would rule.

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Ryan Spooner

I saw this guy play two years ago in the Bruins vs Islanders rookie game and he scored the game winning goal. looked like a geat player, i'm just wondering what his potential is and his nhl comparison would be, and what type of player he will be for the bruins in the future. I'm thinking maybe a st.louis lite type player.

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I saw this guy play two years ago in the Bruins vs Islanders rookie game and he scored the game winning goal. looked like a geat player, i'm just wondering what his potential is and his nhl comparison would be, and what type of player he will be for the bruins in the future. I'm thinking maybe a st.louis lite type player.
I am sure you will hear different things from different people. But, he reminds me of Derek Roy.

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Are there streams for Providence Bruins games, for the first time ever, I`m excited about checking out PB games, thx

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Are there streams for Providence Bruins games, for the first time ever, I`m excited about checking out PB games, thx
http://ahl.neulion.com/ahl/

You can buy a season pass for a few hundred bucks or buy individual games. It is worth noting that video quality isn't always the best (often times just relying on the arena scoreboard feed) but until NESN or the NHL Network show more love to the AHL, this is really your only option outside of going to the games.

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Chiarelli smoke screen #2 about this past draft,,,made this "Grizz" comments a couple days before..

Chiarelli’s take: “You’ve got some kids that kind of went to the U.S. Development Program but are from the area. The Grzelcyk kid’s a very good, mobile defenseman. He’s later on down but he’s got a good head on his shoulders.”

LOL, 3rd rounder is not later on down... I love Chiarelli and his poker face...

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