HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Metropolitan Division > New York Rangers
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

Staal vs. McDonagh

View Poll Results: Better defenseman defensively when healthy?
McDonagh 45 48.91%
Staal 47 51.09%
Voters: 92. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
05-14-2012, 11:49 PM
  #1
SnowblindNYR
Registered User
 
SnowblindNYR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 17,232
vCash: 500
Staal vs. McDonagh

If this was posted before, lock it up mods. But I feel like today is the perfect day to post this. Who is the better defenseman defensively Staal or McDonagh when both are healthy?

SnowblindNYR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-15-2012, 12:14 AM
  #2
broadwayblue
Registered User
 
broadwayblue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: NYC
Country: United States
Posts: 15,639
vCash: 500
Staal is still the #1 guy. But I do think McD has a great shot at his first ASG next season...he is also a stud. Remember, Marc is still not all the way back. I expect him to return to form next year after he's had a full summer to get in shape and a full camp to get ready for the season.

broadwayblue is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
05-15-2012, 12:19 AM
  #3
Fanned On It
Registered User
 
Fanned On It's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: New York
Country: United States
Posts: 1,844
vCash: 500
Staal's been a lot better recently and I'd say he's almost back to where he should be... only thing that keeps me from saying he is 100% back is the lack of an off-season training camp with the team. Can't wait to see him at the start of next season.

That being said I think McD is just as solid defensively and can skate better than Staal. For now, I'd say McD is better.

Fanned On It is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-15-2012, 12:31 AM
  #4
LordsCup*
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 794
vCash: 500
Very tough, i love staalsy but McD gets the vote because of his offensive talent. Dude will be a norris nominee in a couple years when his offense really comes through...

LordsCup* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-15-2012, 12:37 AM
  #5
broadwayblue
Registered User
 
broadwayblue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: NYC
Country: United States
Posts: 15,639
vCash: 500
Speaking of McD, anyone else catch Weekes giving it to Montreal fans on NHL tonight? He was talking about how the Rangers broke their hearts in the middle of the night with that (Gomez) deal...which they also referred to as a "heist." lol

broadwayblue is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
05-15-2012, 01:18 AM
  #6
Beacon
Sent to HF Minors
 
Beacon's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Country: United States
Posts: 8,164
vCash: 500
I was about to post this exact poll. But please change the title so that people know what we are talking about here.

And I voted for McDonagh. I've never seen a player play defense in open ice as well as he does. Others were great near the crease, behind the net or along the boards, but nobody was as good as McDonagh in open ice. He also has more offensive potential than Staal. I think Staal maxes out as a 30-point defenseman, whereas McDonagh could get himself to be a 45-50 point defenseman, or at a minimum a 35-40 point one.

Beacon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-15-2012, 01:21 AM
  #7
wolfgaze
Interesting Cat
 
wolfgaze's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: NJ
Country: United States
Posts: 12,056
vCash: 500
Personally I don't see a reason to waste any mental energy trying to determine who's better than the other. Will you feel any differently about them as players depending on how you rank them?


wolfgaze is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-15-2012, 01:53 AM
  #8
BlueshirtBlitz
Rich Nash
 
BlueshirtBlitz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: New York
Posts: 18,700
vCash: 500
Staal's number 1 with McD a close 2.

BlueshirtBlitz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-15-2012, 02:50 AM
  #9
Net Front Presence
Harvester of Sorrow
 
Net Front Presence's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Country: United States
Posts: 5,920
vCash: 12500
Went with McD.

Net Front Presence is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-15-2012, 02:59 AM
  #10
Calad
Section 422
 
Calad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Long Island
Country: United States
Posts: 1,031
vCash: 500
Staal is so dominant phyiscally, but damn can McDonagh skate...

Calad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-15-2012, 03:32 AM
  #11
Kreider Typical
flex
 
Kreider Typical's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 2,546
vCash: 500
Two entirely different players. Both guys are grade A defenders. McD is better offensively(huge potential). McD is probably the best skater on D that we've seen in a long time. Staal's a lot more physical. Both guys are dominant with the stick.

Honestly? Overall I think Staal's experience makes him better right now, but I think McD is a better all-around defenseman with a lot more potential. Staal's offense was improving before the concussion, it's been great this series. I just don't think it competes with McD's potential.

If I had to choose a pairing for next season I'd put Staal with Girardi if we get Schultz and McD with Schultz(who should by all means be league-ready). If we don't, then I'd say Girardi/Staal, MDZ/Staal(or Sauer/Staal if healthy)


but yeah-- both defenseman are great. McD probably has the edge in the long term. a healthy staal has the edge now... ALTHOUGH... skating is a HUGE plus, and might even give McD the edge now.

Kreider Typical is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-15-2012, 05:04 AM
  #12
darko
Registered User
 
darko's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Country: Australia
Posts: 30,152
vCash: 500
Staal. McD is close behind.

darko is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-15-2012, 05:50 AM
  #13
Levitate
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 20,441
vCash: 500
Yeah, tough one. They both have different strengths. Staal is better along the boards (though McDonagh's no slouch) and better at making plays in the defensive zone when he has the puck.

McDonagh might actually be better 1 on 1 on the rush than Staal because of his skating, and of course has the speed to erase mistakes and catch up to forwards.

But having both of them playing great is a HUGE reason the Rangers have made it this far. When teams can't get away from great defensemen because the Rangers have too many of them, it's a lot harder on their forwards

Levitate is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-15-2012, 08:09 AM
  #14
BroadwayBlues
oxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxo
 
BroadwayBlues's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: New York City
Country: United States
Posts: 7,862
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by broadwayblue View Post
Speaking of McD, anyone else catch Weekes giving it to Montreal fans on NHL tonight? He was talking about how the Rangers broke their hearts in the middle of the night with that (Gomez) deal...which they also referred to as a "heist." lol
Maloney took a shot at them too last night. lol

It's all hindsight. I didn't hear anyone complaining at time, about McD being included in the trade.

BroadwayBlues is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-15-2012, 08:13 AM
  #15
useref15
Registered User
 
useref15's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: New Jersey
Country: United States
Posts: 1,902
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by BroadwayBlues View Post
Maloney took a shot at them too last night. lol

It's all hindsight. I didn't hear anyone complaining at time, about McD being included in the trade.
You must have not read the thread on their board. They were going nuts praying McD wasn't included. Thankfully for us he was.

useref15 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-15-2012, 08:15 AM
  #16
Jersey Girl
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 3,910
vCash: 500
Who cares...I"m glad we have both!

Both are even better than Wade Redden!

Jersey Girl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-15-2012, 08:18 AM
  #17
Levitate
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 20,441
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by useref15 View Post
You must have not read the thread on their board. They were going nuts praying McD wasn't included. Thankfully for us he was.
Lots of them freaked out and hated it right up until the point someone suggested that he was traded because management thought he wasn't progressing the way they wanted and then the tide turned into people saying "it's OK he'll probably bust, he was falling down the depth chart, we have a bunch of better prospects, he wasn't that good"

Levitate is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-15-2012, 08:18 AM
  #18
Vitto79
Registered User
 
Vitto79's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Sarnia
Country: Canada
Posts: 16,405
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jersey Girl View Post
Who cares...I"m glad we have both!

Both are even better than Wade Redden!
This! Lucky to have both, its a big reason the team is where they are at.

Vitto79 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-15-2012, 08:35 AM
  #19
GregSirico
PUCK LUCK
 
GregSirico's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Brooklyn, NY
Country: United States
Posts: 4,687
vCash: 500
McDonagh but Staal is 1A right behind him.

GregSirico is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-15-2012, 08:38 AM
  #20
SnowblindNYR
Registered User
 
SnowblindNYR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 17,232
vCash: 500
Thanks mods for changing the thread title. I was so worried about this being locked that I had to put a disclaimer and the title ended up being crap.

SnowblindNYR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-15-2012, 08:42 AM
  #21
Stugots
Kolo, Kolo Kolo!
 
Stugots's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Long Island
Country: United States
Posts: 6,376
vCash: 500
Staal gets my vote because he has been doing it for longer. Once I see McD put up 4 consistently great seasons like Staal did before he got injured, then maybe he'd get my vote.

Stugots is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-15-2012, 08:54 AM
  #22
Trxjw
Moderator
Bored.
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Land of no calls..
Country: United States
Posts: 16,439
vCash: 500
Staal right now, but McDonagh could very well end up being better in the long run. This kid is insanely good.

Trxjw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-15-2012, 09:40 AM
  #23
bernmeister
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 8,112
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by LordsCup View Post
Very tough, i love staalsy but McD gets the vote because of his offensive talent. Dude will be a norris nominee in a couple years when his offense really comes through...
You're entitled to vote as you see fit, but pls note the OP emphasized defensively, and not better overall, though Staal seems to have better slap shot and McD better at set up offensive passes.

As to D, went with Staal, though this is very, very close. Marc has height, reach, experience. McD has speed. Strength is close. Gave Staal edge on shutdown technique from that experience. May have to give this to McD in a year or two if he learns every trick in the book Staal knows by then.

bernmeister is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-15-2012, 10:04 AM
  #24
nafsregnar27
Registered User
 
nafsregnar27's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Central California
Country: United States
Posts: 478
vCash: 50
I'm going with McDonagh, consistently one of the best players in the playoffs and for holding the fort with Staal's absence. Staal has been fantastic lately but his play early in the playoffs makes me give the vote to McDonagh.

nafsregnar27 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-15-2012, 10:07 AM
  #25
BigDaddyNYR
Calgary Flames GM
 
BigDaddyNYR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Hartford
Posts: 545
vCash: 500
Staal is still #1. He has most skills, and has a better offensive game.

But McDounagh is a very close #2

BigDaddyNYR is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:05 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2014 All Rights Reserved.