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What does a Bronze medal in hockey mean to you?

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05-15-2012, 01:17 PM
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What does a Bronze medal in hockey mean to you?

I'd like to hear people's opinions on what winning a bronze medal means to them and why.

Personally a bronze medal means very little to me. It's not that I want Team Canada to lose if they are playing in a bronze medal game, it's just that I care very little either way. There are a few reasons why I feel this way.

(1) I expect Canada to win the gold every time and if they don't I am hugely disappointed. Once they are out of contention for the gold the tournament is over in my eyes. I really dislike having teams that have been eliminated come back and play for placing. I might feel differently if I didn't expect to finish as high as 3rd.

(2) The idea of awarding a medal to the third place finisher feels totally arbitrary to me. Why not for 4th as well? Why don't the top 10 all receive some sort of award? I can kind of see in something like a running race where you might want to give say the top 3 finishers a medal, but hauling back the losers in sports like boxing, hockey or basketball to play for 3rd just makes no sense to me.

I like how it was done at the Canada Cup / World Cup where they didn't have a bronze medal game. I understand that realistically at the Olympics you have to award a bronze, but I'd much rather it be done based on results from before the teams were eliminated. If nothing else it puts a bit more emphasis on the preliminary round. For example in 2006 Sweden threw a game against Slovakia so they could get a better QF matchup, maybe that wouldn't have happened if it had implications on the bronze.

I know there are people out there who feel 3 bronze are better than 2 gold, now's your chance to tell us why.


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Bronze is better than 4th place. Other than that it means little, the winner takes it all.

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I'd rather win bronze than lose the gold and get the silver.. but that's just me. Losing the final game of the season is a total bummer.

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silver or bronze both don't mean much to me, but I'm happy for the players who get at least something for their work at the tournament. So I have no problem with awarding 2nd and 3rd place. I don't want any change.

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I'd rather win bronze than lose the gold and get the silver.. but that's just me. Losing the final game of the season is a total bummer.
I also agree with this. To win the last game is always good.

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Bronze for a team like Norway and Canada is great (in the last few years). For Russia, Sweden for example it would be OK, but generally dissapointing.

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Obviously for Canada it means little to nothing.

But for smaller nations it is something. And as someone has pointed out it is a better feeling to win the bronze than lose the gold (that at least is my historic experience as Slovak fan). Not even talking about finishing 4th, that is the most bitter feeling that exist in hockey for me coughVancouvercough, because when you finish 2nd you at least get the silver, itīs just "silver", but itīs still a medal.

I donīt think that for example Slovak players and tens of thousands of fans cared too much back in 03 that it was "just" bronze they were celebrating. (And for that matter they also celebrated silver in 00)

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First, it's question of perception. You probably grew up in the "winner takes it all" mentality of NA. We are crazy euro socialists who love to share the revenue.

Second, this world championship (or olympics), everybody in the first three places gets the medal. It's usual. Even in the biggest world sport championship (soccer) there is a 3rd place game. Why tree? Third is the charm. Period.

Third, one more game of hockey is always better than none.

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May as well try to win the bronze if you're in that position to do so, and come away with something for your efforts

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I'd rather win bronze than lose the gold and get the silver.. but that's just me. Losing the final game of the season is a total bummer.
Using that logic you could say that you'd rather have a crappy tournament, lose every game, except your last one in the relegation round and finish 8th as opposed to winning every game except the final and finish 2nd. I'd rather have the second option.

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Using that logic you could say that you'd rather have a crappy tournament, lose every game, except your last one in the relegation round and finish 8th as opposed to winning every game except the final and finish 2nd. I'd rather have the second option.
Except you're not really using the same logic. Getting to the bronze medal game usually doesn't involve having a crappy tournament, or finishing 8th..

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Bronze means nothing to me. I never watch the bronze medal game.

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Bronze for a team like Norway and Canada is great (in the last few years). For Russia, Sweden for example it would be OK, but generally dissapointing.
I'm guessing that is a WC reference. You can have as many of those medals as you like.

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Except you're not really using the same logic. Getting to the bronze medal game usually doesn't involve having a crappy tournament, or finishing 8th..
sorry, I used the wrong quote. I meant that for the one who said winning the last game is important.

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In more than last 50 years none other nation outside Big6 (except Slovakia) didn't get a medal. So yeah, it's pretty big deal for many nations.
All that stuff "Canada is interested only in winning" is so wrong. Just look on the results. Winning a tourney is becoming pretty big deal even for Canada. Better get used to it. Hockey is growing.

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"We weren't quite good enough to win gold, but I'd rather have the bronze than the silver."

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Winning the Bronze makes you the second best loser.

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The US winning bronze at a World Championship would be nice, but that's a reflection of how bad we usually do at this tournament. Bronze at the 2014 Olympics would be disappointing. Anything other than Gold is disappointing even though it's better to have silver than 8th, and it's better to have bronze than 5th.

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Mr. Kannada,

I understand what you r saying, its valid.

However if u lost to say Sweden and faced the US or say Russia in SOCHI, u don't think that
game isn't considered big still?

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Yeah, bronze sucks.

Only a part of the third best ice hockey country in the world

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Winning Bronze in Canada just means you're the 2nd place loser...

Having said that, if we're talking about the World Championships... none of the medals there really mean anything to us. The games are being played when the most important hockey tournament in the world is on. Bronze at the World Championships means very very little.... Gold doesn't mean that much more to be honest.

Stanley Cup >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Olympic Games >>>>>>>> World Jrs >>>>>>>>> World Hockey Championships.

And that's just the way it is.

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First, it's question of perception.
Yeah, but I'm not sure that's so different in Europe compared to NA. Who got the silver in the 2010 World Cup (football) final?. I don't remember...
As for the bronze game? Who what where?

Who got silver in the 2008 Euros? Don't remember.

There's not even a bronze game in the UEFA Champion's league or in any of the national football cups that I know of.

Of course if I was a fan of some team that got a bronze, I'd be ecstatic and remember it for many many years.


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Winning Bronze in Canada just means you're the 2nd place loser...

Having said that, if we're talking about the World Championships... none of the medals there really mean anything to us. The games are being played when the most important hockey tournament in the world is on. Bronze at the World Championships means very very little.... Gold doesn't mean that much more to be honest.

Stanley Cup >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Olympic Games >>>>>>>> World Jrs >>>>>>>>> World Hockey Championships.

And that's just the way it is.
I would say:

Olympics > Stanley Cup >>>>>>>> World Jrs. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> World Hockey Championships

Would put Olympics over the Stanley Cup because it would be for the entire country, and not just one region. I like sharing the glory.

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If I'm the US coach say Tortorella or Canada's coach say Vigneault, I tell my team before we play we have
one dominant and one important goal.

1) Win the Gold

2) Win the Bronze

Players from Canada and even the US understand they aren't US Basketball.
They can be beat, therefore prepare accordingly.

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