Semin also plays on a team that has lots of Russians and is not currently happy with his situation. I don't think that means all that much. I think if a team shows commitment to him and they have a system that compliments his game, that he will be open to signing with them. I actually think the direction Feaster has taken this team and the fact that Semin would be a top dawg here, would be quite appealing to him.
Semin would find the Calgary Flames current direction appealing? Aside from picking up cammalleri and draftin Sven i'm not sure how a middling team trying to make the playoffs while being one of the oldest teams in the league would be appealing to Semin. Do you see something Feaster is doing i'm missing?
Semin would find the Calgary Flames current direction appealing? Aside from picking up cammalleri and draftin Sven i'm not sure how a middling team trying to make the playoffs while being one of the oldest teams in the league would be appealing to Semin. Do you see something Feaster is doing i'm missing?
The one thing that would appeal to him with CGY is that he would get top line minutes. But we are not the only team that can offer that, chances are slim that he would sign here IMO.
If I woke up one morning and I knew Calgary had:
Tangs - Cammy - Iggy Semin - Červenka - Radulov
Glencross - Backlund - Sven
I would definitely learn how to do cartwheels.
I would throw up in my mouth.
Congratulations - that might be the single worst line I have ever seen from a value-to-talent ratio.
Talented, absolutely, and they would probably score north of 75 goals, but 60 of them would come in a handle of 8-2 meaningless romps, whereas they would absolutely disappear in critical games.
I would honestly rather have a 2nd line of Nystrom-Jones-Bouma. They probably wouldn't score 6 goals between them but at least they would work hard and not be an embarassment to the uniform.
Could you imagine a whole season of Semin-Cervenka-Radulov having to play against the Kesler line? I am developing an ulcer just thinking about it.
The one thing that would appeal to him with CGY is that he would get top line minutes. But we are not the only team that can offer that, chances are slim that he would sign here IMO.
That guy is a total goof. I don't think he will end up signing here either, but there is appeal. Why did Cervenka chose to sign in Calgary? Feaster has drafted Baertschi, Granlund and Gaudreau, there is an obvious shift in philosophy that he wants to play a more skilled game. He has also made the team significantly younger since taking over, and as you said we can offer him top line minutes. We have the cap space, want to play a more skilled game, can give him the minutes, last I checked those were all things on his list.
Again, I don't think he will sign here (because we aren't a legitimate contender ATM) unless we throw the most money at him but. But Calgary is a hockey market and an attractive place to play and we are moving forward in the right direction.
The one thing that would appeal to him with CGY is that he would get top line minutes. But we are not the only team that can offer that, chances are slim that he would sign here IMO.
That guy is a total goof. I don't think he will end up signing here either, but there is appeal. Why did Cervenka chose to sign in Calgary? Feaster has drafted Baertschi, Granlund and Gaudreau, there is an obvious shift in philosophy that he wants to play a more skilled game. He has also made the team significantly younger since taking over, and as you said we can offer him top line minutes. We have the cap space, want to play a more skilled game, can give him the minutes, last I checked those were all things on his list.
Again, I don't think he will sign here (because we aren't a legitimate contender ATM) unless we throw the most money at him but. But Calgary is a hockey market and an attractive place to play and we are moving forward in the right direction.
No one said Calgary isn't a desirable hockey market when the team is moving in the right direction. The debate is what the direction is going to be next season (whether it is a re-build or re-tool). I agree Semin isn't coming to a team that isn't a playoff contender. However, if you want to talk about right direction maybe you can point me to the wealth of quality prospects coming in besides Sven? Maybe the young studs who are poised to replace Iggy and Kipper? I disagree that anyone can say the Flames are moving in the right direction right now when their best players are old, they have one elite prospect and a few half decent options besides that. The Flames are trending downward this season and the next as Iggy and Kipper get older. Lanny MacDonald summed it up best when he said Kipper has hid some glaring weaknesses in the Calgary franchise this season. Consider the five other Canadian teams side by side the Flames. The only team that maybe in as much trouble right now is the Habs and they have a young elite goaltender and a solid 3rd overall pick (not to mention some other nice pieces). The Flames future looks pretty bleak to me right now. I hope Feaster can make some moves to change my mind about that before the start of the season.
Edit: I also like Backlund, Cervenka, and Brodie but none of them shown top line quality.
I'm sure that "pressbox" Anton is not going to impress Semin. Playing with a world class russian talent like Datsyuk is probably of more interest to him.
you said none to be seen, so i just pointed out there was one
Do you see something Feaster is doing i'm missing?
Offering a truck load of cash maybe? sometimes its all it takes. that truckload of cash got us within a short and curly of Richards last summer, now that the team actually has cap space expect Feaster to back that truck up on Suter as well as Parise and/or Semin. Not saying he will land them but he will try
Offering a truck load of cash maybe? sometimes its all it takes. that truckload of cash got us within a short and curly of Richards last summer, now that the team actually has cap space expect Feaster to back that truck up on Suter as well as Parise and/or Semin. Not saying he will land them but he will try
I don't believe that Richards was seriously entertaining any offer but the Rangers. He was simply finding the market value for himself. New York said from the start they would match. Calgary apparently made an enticing offer but from everything I read Richards was already a Big Apple boy.
I don't believe that Richards was seriously entertaining any offer but the Rangers. He was simply finding the market value for himself. New York said from the start they would match. Calgary apparently made an enticing offer but from everything I read Richards was already a Big Apple boy.
I don't believe that Richards was seriously entertaining any offer but the Rangers. He was simply finding the market value for himself. New York said from the start they would match. Calgary apparently made an enticing offer but from everything I read Richards was already a Big Apple boy.
Regardless of what you believe, it's what the players believe. They also see a 25 goal scorer in Glencross signed for under 3 mill, a 70 point getter in Tangs signed for under 4 mill, and Jokinen resigned for a under market value after being traded away. Bourque was cheap, Smith is a steal, and Giordano is a fair price. Players like it here, are willing to take a cut to stay, and other players know that
No, I got it. What I was trying to point out was that I don't think Richards was ever seriously considering Calgary. I don't think Parise will, Suter will, etc. It has nothing to do with the city and everything to do with the current state of the hockey team. They are proven performers with the ability to go anywhere. The Flames cannot realistically offer a truckload more cash for a player of Suter's worth than 29 other teams (They would be getting into 7.5-8.5 million territory). They could offer a bit more than market value but it's very likely the elite guys won't come to Calgary to watch a "re-tool" or "re-build" or whatever will happen. Listen, I could be wrong and Feaster could see some value in throwing 8 million at Ryan Suter but I don't think anyone wants that to happen.
As for Semin, offering him somewhere in the 6 million range might be good for the Flames and Semin. I don't entirely dismiss the idea that Semin could be comfortable in Calgary with the re-tool. Anything is possible with the season he had.
Regardless of what you believe, it's what the players believe. They also see a 25 goal scorer in Glencross signed for under 3 mill, a 70 point getter in Tangs signed for under 4 mill, and Jokinen resigned for a under market value after being traded away. Bourque was cheap, Smith is a steal, and Giordano is a fair price. Players like it here, are willing to take a cut to stay, and other players know that
Tanguay walked away from Cow town originally. He only came back after his horrific season in Tampa. Glencross was a nice deal, same with Gio. It also doesn't hurt that they give out no movement clauses like it's going out of style to entice them to stay.
Congratulations - that might be the single worst line I have ever seen from a value-to-talent ratio.
Talented, absolutely, and they would probably score north of 75 goals, but 60 of them would come in a handle of 8-2 meaningless romps, whereas they would absolutely disappear in critical games.
I would honestly rather have a 2nd line of Nystrom-Jones-Bouma. They probably wouldn't score 6 goals between them but at least they would work hard and not be an embarassment to the uniform.
Could you imagine a whole season of Semin-Cervenka-Radulov having to play against the Kesler line? I am developing an ulcer just thinking about it.
Aaaand this is why we finish outside the playoffs looking in, and Calgary has one of the lowest talent pools in the NHL.
Enough with the blue collar worker. I want some *skill* in Calgary. I don't care if I have a player who parties every night, says miserable things to the media... If for once I can watch a Flames game and say:
"You see that move?!?" instead of "You like that broken play because of about 3 too many passes?" or "You like that wrister from no angle, that the goalie calmly blockered away?"
What would be the difference between that line or the "defensive" ones we have in Flames nation right now? Were we watching the same games this year? Defensive breakdowns from EVEREYONE up and down the line. At least a highly skilled Eastern European line could at least even up their faux pas with more than likely a 180+ point line.
I'm dreaming anyways. I know next year will be the same team of 3/4th line grinders playing up to the second line, and guys who would be second liners up on the first.
I'm also throwing this out. Unless you were an Alex Tanguay fan, any Flames second line against any of the top 3 Vancouver lines were ulcer causing. L2P.
Aaaand this is why we finish outside the playoffs looking in, and Calgary has one of the lowest talent pools in the NHL.
Enough with the blue collar worker. I want some *skill* in Calgary. I don't care if I have a player who parties every night, says miserable things to the media... If for once I can watch a Flames game and say:
"You see that move?!?" instead of "You like that broken play because of about 3 too many passes?" or "You like that wrister from no angle, that the goalie calmly blockered away?"
What would be the difference between that line or the "defensive" ones we have in Flames nation right now? Were we watching the same games this year? Defensive breakdowns from EVEREYONE up and down the line. At least a highly skilled Eastern European line could at least even up their faux pas with more than likely a 180+ point line.
I'm dreaming anyways. I know next year will be the same team of 3/4th line grinders playing up to the second line, and guys who would be second liners up on the first.
I'm also throwing this out. Unless you were an Alex Tanguay fan, any Flames second line against any of the top 3 Vancouver lines were ulcer causing. L2P.
You completely missed the point. I want more skill too - everyone does. But a line with Semin and Radulov is not the answer.
Hockey isn't a youtube highlight clip, it's a tough game that is won with hard work. I want a team that shows up every night. You slap the flaming C on those two and by Christmas Feaster would be unemployed.
You completely missed the point. I want more skill too - everyone does. But a line with Semin and Radulov is not the answer.
Hockey isn't a youtube highlight clip, it's a tough game that is won with hard work. I want a team that shows up every night. You slap the flaming C on those two and by Christmas Feaster would be unemployed.
No, I understood where you were coming from. But I think you might want to start watching YouTube instead of reading into media too much.
Risk reward for giving those guys short tern deals would be off the charts. You're not losing anything and getting two top skilled players. It's not like the team we have now is close to competing for anything. Also think of two things. Radulov was the best player playing outside na, cervenka is on that list too. All three guys rep their COUNTRY, not just their prof team. Also. Look at the leadership on each team, Shea and Ovi... Where does 12 rank on that list of on and off ice leaders?
If It's available, do it. If we keep fielding the same team with the sane results, feaster will be out of work anyways.
No, I understood where you were coming from. But I think you might want to start watching YouTube instead of reading into media too much.
Risk reward for giving those guys short tern deals would be off the charts. You're not losing anything and getting two top skilled players. It's not like the team we have now is close to competing for anything. Also think of two things. Radulov was the best player playing outside na, cervenka is on that list too. All three guys rep their COUNTRY, not just their prof team. Also. Look at the leadership on each team, Shea and Ovi... Where does 12 rank on that list of on and off ice leaders?
If It's available, do it. If we keep fielding the same team with the sane results, feaster will be out of work anyways.
Semin and Radulov together probably cost you $10m per. So suggesting that you're not losing anything is ridiculous (though I understood your point).
Huge risk and a horrible - though very talented - team.
Cervenka may bring the same risk, though accounts from Czech and KHL fans suggest otherwise. Time will tell of course.
As for the bold, yeah ok buddy. And as for the 'keep fielding the same team' argument, Feaster is not going that at all. And most importantly, just because the team wasn't good last year doesn't mean that any change is good change.
Semin and Radulov together probably cost you $10m per. So suggesting that you're not losing anything is ridiculous (though I understood your point).
Huge risk and a horrible - though very talented - team.
Cervenka may bring the same risk, though accounts from Czech and KHL fans suggest otherwise. Time will tell of course.
As for the bold, yeah ok buddy. And as for the 'keep fielding the same team' argument, Feaster is not going that at all. And most importantly, just because the team wasn't good last year doesn't mean that any change is good change.
Really on the same lineup deal? Take out Sven and cervenka and you literally will be getting more or less the same lineup as last year lol. He is drafting and hoarding prospects with some age.
As for the bold. Yeah stop listening to every scrubby reporter or fan. You'll learn a lot more. Until then you're bound to not understand. Khl and Russian fans will tell you the same thing about radulov.
As for the bold. Yeah stop listening to every scrubby reporter or fan. You'll learn a lot more. Until then you're bound to not understand. Khl and Russian fans will tell you the same thing about radulov.
I think its ok to have a good mix of players as long as their ego's can be checked. If its Iggy's team, he needs to be able to control the players. Look at what Jordan did with D-Rod back in the 90's. You can have all kinds of players, but they need to put the team ahead of themselves. I think Semin has said he's willing to do that for the right team. But you cannot build a team full of players that are traditionally not team guys.
