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12-19-2004, 04:20 AM
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At there very best, the top 5 in the league (not counting consistency, etc)

1. Jagr
2. Bertuzzi
3. Forsberg
4. Sakic
5. Naslund/Iginla

Overall (counting consistency, etc)

1. Forsberg
2. Naslund/Sakic
3. Sakic/Naslund
4. Iginla
5. Thornton
At their very best (which usually means during the playoffs), Fedorov and Modano are definitely top 5 forwards.

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12-19-2004, 11:51 AM
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This is my Top 30, yes I know I'm going far over the limit, but I'm not including goalies in this list, far too confusing for such a small mind.

1. Peter Forsberg
2. Chris Pronger
3. Markus Naslund
4. Jarome Iginla
5. Joe Thornton
6. Niklas Lidstrom
7. Ilya Kovalchuk
8. Marian Hossa
9. Dany Heatley
10. Joe Sakic
11. Rick Nash
12. Vincent Lecavalier
13. Martin St. Louis
14. Marian Gaborik
15. Milan Hejduk
16. Todd Bertuzzi
17. Mats Sundin
18. Rob Blake
19. Mario Lemieux
20. Brad Richards
21. Daniel Alfreddson
22. Saku Koivu
23. Scott Niedermayer
24. Miroslav Satan
25. Sergei Samsonov
26. Steve Yzerman
27. Jason Spezza
28. Pavel Datsyuk
29. Zigmund Palffy
30. Zdeno Chara

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12-19-2004, 01:36 PM
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Simon, Nieminen and Dono all played 1st line or 2nd line in the playoffs, I wouldn't call that depth. They have ALOT of 3rd to 4th line players, who are good, but they have to play some of them on the 2nd line, or even 1st line.
Simon is a guy who can play on your top 2 lines, I have no problem with him riding shotgun on Jarome Iginla.

Nemo and Donovan never played 1st line, they were forced into it when injuries to Reinprecht, McAmmond kept them out for the entire post season. The injury to Matthew Lombardi took hiim out of the last two playoff rounds. Although Donovan had 44 points, almost 20 goals last year, he deserved 2nd line minutes. Neimenin is one of those playoff warriors, he picks up his game big time in the post season. He was playing like a second liner.

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12-19-2004, 01:38 PM
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2. Bertuzzi
3. Forsberg
Ummm, no. Forsberg is one of the best players of this generation. To suggest Todd Bertuzzi is better then him in his prime -- while his prime last about two seasons -- is pretty laughable.

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12-19-2004, 03:42 PM
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1. Peter Forsberg
2. Chris Pronger
3. Markus Naslund
4. Jarome Iginla
5. Joe Thornton
6. Niklas Lidstrom
7. Ilya Kovalchuk
8. Marian Hossa
9. Dany Heatley
10. Joe Sakic
11. Rick Nash
12. Vincent Lecavalier
13. Martin St. Louis
14. Marian Gaborik
15. Milan Hejduk
16. Todd Bertuzzi
17. Mats Sundin
18. Rob Blake
19. Mario Lemieux
20. Brad Richards
21. Daniel Alfreddson
22. Saku Koivu
23. Scott Niedermayer
24. Miroslav Satan
25. Sergei Samsonov
26. Steve Yzerman
27. Jason Spezza
28. Pavel Datsyuk
29. Zigmund Palffy
30. Zdeno Chara
Horrible list.

Koivu, Satan, Spezza, Yzerman, Gaborik and Samsonov over Doan, Elias, Chara, Palffy, etc? Worst list ever.


I'll take Iglina over Forsberg simply on his ability to avoid the injury bug.

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I'd say top 3

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I am going to change my top 5 best players(not counting consistency, etc.)

1. Jagr.
2. Forsberg
3. Naslund
4. Sakic
5. Modano

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Horrible list.

Koivu, Satan, Spezza, Yzerman, Gaborik and Samsonov over Doan, Elias, Chara, Palffy, etc? Worst list ever.


I'll take Iglina over Forsberg simply on his ability to avoid the injury bug.
Yes to all of those. I did put Palffy and Chara in there. I'll admit I forgot Elias and Doan, but the list is fine. Spezza is gonna be huge, I'd say he's easily a Top 30 guy already. Gaborik had an off year last year, but he's easily Top 30. If you put Doan on the list, you have to put Koivu and Satan on the list, because they are easily comparable to Doan.

Samsonov has proven that if he can stay healthy, he is Top 30 easily, he got 75 points a few years ago, playing an almost full season. He had the freak injury 2 years ago, and then the other injury last year, but still put up a respectible 40 some odd points. Yzerman has constantly proved that he is a great player, time and time again. He is one of the Top 15 centres in the league today, and he's almost 40. Elias and Doan I forgot, but Chara has had one good season, and Palffy seems on the decline, but is still on the list.

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12-19-2004, 09:24 PM
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As much as I want to refrain from agreeing with anything Evman says, I have to say that I agree that Iginla is one of the top five all around players in the NHL (skaters, I won't try to mix in goalies).

Although I have my qualms about some of the things he does, he is exceptional right now, and with time and maturity, I think he will become the poster boy for Hockey Canada.

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12-19-2004, 10:08 PM
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I think its ridiculous to take Kovalchuk/Nash/Heatley over him right now, they all could be better in the future, but 'today' they are not.

Here are the top 10 goal scorers in the last 3 years. For interests sake ;D
1.Iginla 52 35 41 = 128
2.Naslund 40 48 35 = 123
3.Murray 41 44 32 = 117
4.Hossa 31 45 36 = 112
5.Sundin 41 37 31 = 109
6.Kovalchuk 29 38 41 = 108
7.Hejduk 21 50 35 = 106
8.Tkachuk 38 31 33 = 102
9.Guerin 41 25 34 = 100
10.Bertuzzi 36 46 17 = 99

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Does anybody know where Thornton ends up on that list. Murray did most of the scoring, and Thornton set him up, but how many did Big Joe end up with?

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I think its ridiculous to take Kovalchuk/Nash/Heatley over him right now, they all could be better in the future, but 'today' they are not.

Here are the top 10 goal scorers in the last 3 years. For interests sake ;D
1.Iginla 52 35 41 = 128
2.Naslund 40 48 35 = 123
3.Murray 41 44 32 = 117
4.Hossa 31 45 36 = 112
5.Sundin 41 37 31 = 109
6.Kovalchuk 29 38 41 = 108
7.Hejduk 21 50 35 = 106
8.Tkachuk 38 31 33 = 102
9.Guerin 41 25 34 = 100
10.Bertuzzi 36 46 17 = 99
I dont think anyone can argue that iggy is the best power forward in the game right now.... forsberg is too injury prone and loses his temper..... i didn't think that iggy was #1 in points for the past three seasons but that just makes iggy's case that much stronger

BTW, I hate these naslund vs iginla comparisons......... do these guys play alike at all?

My personal opinion.... I'd take a 75+ point power foward against pure skill anyday unless you are gretzky. These guys shine when it really counts with few exceptions.

The finesse guys need someone to open room for them.... and that doesn't always happen

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My personal opinion.... I'd take a 75+ point power foward against pure skill anyday unless you are gretzky. These guys shine when it really counts with few exceptions.
That's the sort of thing that's commonly believed but patently false. In fact, with a few exceptions, power forwards as a great tend to put up fairly underwhelming performances when it "really counts". There's no power forward in the league that consistently does the stuff Sergei Fedorov, Joe Sakic, Peter Forsberg, Mike Modano, and co. do in the playoffs.

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Among all the top players, Iginla has the most heart. That puts him at the #1 spot on my list.

Iginla has more heart than Sakic? He has more strength than Sakic, but not more heart. Wheres your head at?

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1- Center: Peter Forsberg without question.

2- Left Wing: Markus Naslund

3- Right Wing: Jarome Iginla/Daniel Alfredsson

4- Defensemen: Niklas Lidstrom

5- Goalie: Martin Brodeur


Btw, Im Swedish
Alfredsson isnt even the top right wing on his team.

Iginla is my first pick in the nhl including goaltenders. He brings it all, leadership, hard work, fighting, finishing his checks, defense, making players around him better. Most importantly clutch scoring even if he is playing on a line with 2nd and 3rd liners he still scores at a first line pace. Never takes a night off.

He is the best player in the nhl.

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Iginla has more heart than Sakic? He has more strength than Sakic, but not more heart. Wheres your head at?
Not saying either one has more heart, but is it that ridiculous to think Iginla has more? How do you quantify heart? Stanley Cups? Maybe a factor, but not the sole one. And on the topic of quantifying heart, what exactly is the SI unit for heart these days?


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Does anybody know where Thornton ends up on that list. Murray did most of the scoring, and Thornton set him up, but how many did Big Joe end up with?
Hmm, I'm not exactly sure, I deleted the rest of the guys that I considered for that list, he had 81 goals over the past three seasons. My estimate would put that somewhere around 20th I believe.

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I would say he is definately a Top 5 skater. If you include goalies, it gets a little more cloudy, but he could crack that list too.

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Iginla has more heart than Sakic? He has more strength than Sakic, but not more heart. Wheres your head at?
How can you quantify who Iginla vs. Sakic? In other words, how can you say Iginla has any less then Sakic?

When it comes to "heart," there are a few guys that stick out in my mind... Stevie Yzerman, Ryan Smyth, grinders like Stephane Yelle, but Iginla vs. Sakic? I'd say its as even as it gets.

To be brutally honest (and yes, I am a Flames fan) I always thought general consensus was that Iginla was easily a top 5 player, a safe top 3 and arguably best (Including hockey experts like Bob MacKenzie). For me, it was always:
1. Iginla (yeah yeah I know, bias Flames fan ect)
2. Forsberg
3. Brodeur
4. Lidstrom
5. Pronger


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How can you quantify who Iginla vs. Sakic? In other words, how can you say Iginla has any less then Sakic?

When it comes to "heart," there are a few guys that stick out in my mind... Stevie Yzerman, Ryan Smyth, grinders like Stephane Yelle, but Iginla vs. Sakic? I'd say its as even as it gets.
Koivu and Scott Stevens should definately be considered as well.

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Samsonov has proven that if he can stay healthy, he is Top 30 easily, he got 75 points a few years ago, playing an almost full season. He had the freak injury 2 years ago, and then the other injury last year, but still put up a respectible 40 some odd points.
Samsonov has never finished a season (at least as far as I can tell) in the top-20 leaderboard for points. He's not exactly a Selke candidate, nor does his physical play strike fear into the heart of anyone over the age of 16. Simply put, Samsonov is a point producing forward (nothing more, nothing less), and until he actually produces a lot of points (75 three years ago doesn't exactly cut it) it's ridiculous to put him in the top-30 players in the league, ahead of others who are superior to him in every meaningful facet of the game.

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i didn't think that iggy was #1 in points for the past three seasons but that just makes iggy's case that much stronger
Those stats were the goals, he's 4th over the last 3 years for points behind Naslund, Bertuzzi and Thornton.

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True story:

Played golf with two current NHLer's this summer,Both said Iginla is without dought the best "overall" player in the league right now and one stated he's the hardest to play agains't. what makes it a little funny is they play for Colorado

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As much as I want to refrain from agreeing with anything Evman says, I have to say that I agree that Iginla is one of the top five all around players in the NHL (skaters, I won't try to mix in goalies).

Although I have my qualms about some of the things he does, he is exceptional right now, and with time and maturity, I think he will become the poster boy for Hockey Canada.
Can I get you to elaborate on this? I'm not trying to attack you or defend Iginla or anything, I'm just wondering what qualms you had in mind.

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Can I get you to elaborate on this? I'm not trying to attack you or defend Iginla or anything, I'm just wondering what qualms you had in mind.
Yeah, I'm kind of wondering about that too.

Iginla is your textbook, media friendly, "smart" guy that makes the ideal poster child (in a personality sense) who says all the right things at all the right times with a smile on his face.

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1. Sergei Fedorov
2. Martin Brodeur
3. Jarome Iginla
4. Peter Forsberg
5. Ilya Kovalchuk/Dany Heatley

Fedorov is a winner. I doubt that Red Wings without Fedorov would´ve even won one single Stanley Cup, instead NHL gave Conn Smythe Trophy to their overrated lover boys. A 20 points minimum in 4 straight play-offs. Even Wayne Gretzky and Mario Lemieux didn´t manage that. He has scored most game-winning-goals lately. He has/had(?) the record in most overtime goals ever. He is one of the most well-trained players and definitely the most beautiful skating techniques. It´s a joy to watch him play, too bad he only plays on 20% during regular seasons. Otherwise I´m sure he´d score 120-130 points in todays hockey.

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