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Nail Yakupov continues to be the top ranked prospect by International Scouting Services.

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Someone's getting a steal if Galchenyuk falls to 14. Also, at Tom Wilson at 17. If Tom Wilson goes in the top 20, it truly is a weak draft.

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Not a mock guys. Just a ranking. One I hope that Montreal, Toronto, NYI, and CBJ take to heart and is wrong because I want Gally

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And I'm really not buying Gaunce... He's not talented enough to be taken top 15 IMO.

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And I'm really not buying Gaunce... He's not talented enough to be taken top 15 IMO.
Agreed. Don't see the top 6 upside. Looks like he could be a solid 3rd line shutdown centreman though. Similar to Gaustad...

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And I'm really not buying Gaunce... He's not talented enough to be taken top 15 IMO.
Agreed. Caught 8 total games that he played in (international and junior) and I was not impressed at all. He didn't show me anything that he was advertised to be. In fact at the USA-Canada U-18 game I thought he was outshone by guys expected to go late first-mid second round.

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Agreed. Don't see the top 6 upside. Looks like he could be a solid 3rd line shutdown centreman though. Similar to Gaustad...
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Agreed. Caught 8 total games that he played in (international and junior) and I was not impressed at all. He didn't show me anything that he was advertised to be. In fact at the USA-Canada U-18 game I thought he was outshone by guys expected to go late first-mid second round.
I've compared him to Brooks Laich. Might end up being a gritty 2nd line center, but ideally I think he's a very good 3rd line guy who will be a solid 40-55 point guy in his prime.

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I've compared him to Brooks Laich. Might end up being a gritty 2nd line center, but ideally I think he's a very good 3rd line guy who will be a solid 40-55 point guy in his prime.
It's that 15 point gap that have people confused.

55 points isn't attainable IMO from a #3C, yes Staal can do it, and others have...but not as a traditional #3C.

Is he a 55 point guy? or a 40 point guy? That's the question, and those 15 points are HUGE IMO.

I think he has better offense than a guy like Gaustad, more like an Umberger...an good #3C on a contender and an adequate #2 on a bottom feeder.

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I just can't see Galchenyuk falling into the middle of round 1. IMO, he's top 10 even with his injury woes this year. Steve Yzerman had no qualms about taking Connolly a couple years ago despite similar injury issues.

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It's that 15 point gap that have people confused.

55 points isn't attainable IMO from a #3C, yes Staal can do it, and others have...but not as a traditional #3C.

Is he a 55 point guy? or a 40 point guy? That's the question, and those 15 points are HUGE IMO.

I think he has better offense than a guy like Gaustad, more like an Umberger...an good #3C on a contender and an adequate #2 on a bottom feeder.
I don't think the 15 pt gap is that big if the guy is a hell of a leader with 40 points. And when I give you a gap, it's assumed that he will be in that range over the course of his prime...some years 40, some years upwards of 55.

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ISS has had Galchenyuk there all year, their head scout simply isn't a huge fan of his for whatever reason.

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I don't see Gaunce getting near 55 points.. maybe as a 2nd liner in a career year....

I guess I'm a cynic.

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ISS has had Galchenyuk there all year, their head scout simply isn't a huge fan of his for whatever reason.
Having witnessed the horror and awe of Galchenyuk's dominance in Chicago with CYA while he played with my best-friend's little brother, I can say Galchenyuk isn't riding Yakupov's coat-tails, if anything he helped make Yakupov better in his 101 point season.

You know the Chemistry between them was actually a major pulling force in Galchenyuk's consideration for the Russian team. He blatantly said it was Yakupov.

It'd be amazing to get them on the same team...

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I don't see Gaunce getting near 55 points.. maybe as a 2nd liner in a career year....

I guess I'm a cynic.
It took Laich 5 full NHL seasons to hit the mark, over 380 career games. I think Gaunce has a similar path going forward.

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I just can't see Galchenyuk falling into the middle of round 1. IMO, he's top 10 even with his injury woes this year. Steve Yzerman had no qualms about taking Connolly a couple years ago despite similar injury issues.
Given the next three picks were Skinner, Burmistrov and Granlund, I think Tampa would pick differently in hindsight.

More than the physical injury itself, IMO it's very difficult to determine just how much missed development time impacts a player. That, and the very limited amount of actual game play teams have to judge the 17 year old version of Galchenyuk, would make me hesitant to pick him high in the draft.

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Gaunce could turn out to be a player in the mold of Brooks Laich or he could end up more like Wayne Primeau. If you think he's more like Brooks Laich, you take him in the top 15 otherwise he'll go somewhere in the 20 - 25 range.

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Someone's getting a steal if Galchenyuk falls to 14. Also, at Tom Wilson at 17. If Tom Wilson goes in the top 20, it truly is a weak draft.
Seeing as the Flames have the 14th pick... I would be extremely excited to see this happen.

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I don't see Gaunce getting near 55 points.. maybe as a 2nd liner in a career year....

I guess I'm a cynic.
I have to agree. I saw him only in Ottawa this year mind you, but it was for about 7 games and I think he had maybe two points and was relatively ineffective. If not for knowing who he was when I went to the games, i never would have even thought him worthy of any round in the draft after watching him.

That said, I know what he did against other teams in the league so I know he has to have more than he showed in Ottawa this year.

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I don't think the 15 pt gap is that big if the guy is a hell of a leader with 40 points. And when I give you a gap, it's assumed that he will be in that range over the course of his prime...some years 40, some years upwards of 55.
I realize that is what you meant by that range. I was more speaking to whether you or I or scouts see him being closer to the 40 point guy or the 55 point guy.

I think it's a large gap.

Its basically the line between #2C and #3C.

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Maybe it's because he torched my hometown Frontenacs every time the Bulls played them, but Gaunce actually had games where he reminded me a bit of Jordan Staal. I don't think he'll be as good as Staal, but he showed flashes in a few of those games.

In terms of NHL production, he looked like a guy capable of 15 to 20 goals, 25 to 30 assists, along with good defensive play and board work. Which would put him in the above speculated 40 to 50 point range.

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Yeah, in the few Bulls games I saw, he definitely showed some flashes of potential.

By the sounds of it, he'll be a guy who aces his interviews too.

Only takes one team to fall in love with him.

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Looks like Kerdiles is on a JT Miller-esque rise. I wonder if he goes as high.

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Maybe it's because he torched my hometown Frontenacs every time the Bulls played them
Didn't everyone torch the Frontenacs this year?

Just checked for the heck of it, saw Gaunce seven times this year, he had 4 assists, so its not a huge sample set for me, but I prefer to rate players on what I see.

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