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05-18-2012, 09:42 AM
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You are weakest defensively. Just because you offense isn't stacked doesn't mean it's not better then your defense. On offense you have Hall,RNH and Eberle this could be one of the best lines in hockey. You also have Hemsky and good prospects like Lander/MSP. On defense right now it doesn't look good after Whitney. The only prospect that you have on defense( to my knowledge) that is highely touted is Klefbom.
Smid and Petry are top 4 NHL defencemen, and Nick Shultz has been solid since coming over. The Oilers' young stars will surely make Edmonton an attractive destination for veteran defenders as well. With guys like Klefbom and Marincin coming in, the Oilers will be fine, it won't be a Nashville esque defence, but it'll certainly be middle of the pack or better. The only reason our defence apparently sucked was because goaltending was inconsistent. Khabibulin and Dubnyk could put up a Hasek esque performance one night, and have a .750 save percentage the next.

Secondary scoring was definitely the biggest problem that the Oilers had this year. If you paid attention, whenever one of the kids went down, our offence went from great to below average. Whenever two of the kids went down, our offence completely disappeared. At the end of the year when Hall was out, our offence was not winning us games, our wins depended on whether or not Dubnyk was playing well or not. If the Oilers needed to address the goals against issue, they need to address it through goaltending, or hope that Dubnyk can find consistency. Defence wise all we need is 1/2 veteran defencemen.

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05-18-2012, 09:50 AM
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Now I'm getting scared, you are the same guy who said Ambroz wouldn't go after the second round last year(where I predicted him to drop like a rock...tehehehe), but I agree with you a bit. I think Kerdiles belongs in the top 25. He's better than Matteau and has been skills than Girgensons of the USHL Forward crop.
Speaking of droppers...

I'm up for a wager on how far your boy Jordan Schmaltz drops. You've got him top 30-35ish, yea? I'll take him around 55-60. Let's see whose closer?

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05-18-2012, 10:40 AM
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ISS Head Scout talks about the ratings.

Pretty much admits he's the reason why Galchenyuk is at 14 and many at ISS staunchly disagree with it, but he gets final call.

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05-18-2012, 11:06 AM
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Speaking of droppers...

I'm up for a wager on how far your boy Jordan Schmaltz drops. You've got him top 30-35ish, yea? I'll take him around 55-60. Let's see whose closer?
sorry, my Oilers will snag him at #32

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05-18-2012, 11:21 AM
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http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151741852185585

ISS Head Scout talks about the ratings.

Pretty much admits he's the reason why Galchenyuk is at 14 and many at ISS staunchly disagree with it, but he gets final call.
So one guy's opinion> all? Wow. Great list ISS.

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05-18-2012, 11:28 AM
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sorry, my Oilers will snag him at #32
I'm hoping that's not wishful thinking? Though maybe the Edmonton ice will actually make his skating look average.

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05-18-2012, 02:26 PM
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Faksa seems to be losing some lustre. Has anyone seen Gaunce and Faksa play enough to give an opinion on their relative skating abilities?

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05-18-2012, 02:43 PM
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luckily many scouts/gm's are seeing that offensive creativity with Kerdiles that has been seen all year long...
and many others don´t see that offensive creativity...

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05-18-2012, 02:48 PM
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Faksa seems to be losing some lustre. Has anyone seen Gaunce and Faksa play enough to give an opinion on their relative skating abilities?
As far as skating its not even close, Faska by a mile. Gaunce is definitely a more complete player though.

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05-18-2012, 03:07 PM
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And I'm really not buying Gaunce... He's not talented enough to be taken top 15 IMO.
I know it's futile to ***** about rankings and I don't usually do it, but...how can anyone have a player like Gaunce above a player like Galchenyuk? Injury-risk or no.

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05-18-2012, 03:10 PM
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05-18-2012, 03:53 PM
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I know it's futile to ***** about rankings and I don't usually do it, but...how can anyone have a player like Gaunce above a player like Galchenyuk? Injury-risk or no.
Galchenyuk's talent, potential, and control of the game vastly rivals that of Gaunce and competes directly with players like Yakupov and Grigorenko.

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05-18-2012, 03:56 PM
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If I'm ranking bare, raw talent... My top 10 is this:

1. Grigorenko
2. Yakupov
3. Galchenyuk
4. Dumba
5. Teräväinen
6. Forsberg
7. Collberg
8. Rielly
9. Faksa
10. Åberg

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05-18-2012, 04:53 PM
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Glad I'm not the only one who doesn't like the taste of the Gaunce kool aid. He seems like he's nothing like he's advertised as. I was very disapointed with him in the 67s-Bulls series. Not really a 1st round talent and imo doesn't really have the intangibles that he's been labelled as having.

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05-18-2012, 05:12 PM
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Glad I'm not the only one who doesn't like the taste of the Gaunce kool aid. He seems like he's nothing like he's advertised as. I was very disapointed with him in the 67s-Bulls series. Not really a 1st round talent and imo doesn't really have the intangibles that he's been labelled as having.
He was outplayed by a few other guys in the WJC18's that were supposedly ranked behind him like Kerdiles (USA), Collberg (SWE), and even guys on his team like Laughton and Smith.

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05-18-2012, 05:22 PM
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Glad I'm not the only one who doesn't like the taste of the Gaunce kool aid. He seems like he's nothing like he's advertised as. I was very disapointed with him in the 67s-Bulls series. Not really a 1st round talent and imo doesn't really have the intangibles that he's been labelled as having.
He's the best leader in this draft class. I'm sorry that most fans don't see it, but there is a reason why everyone loves him. Big + great leader + goal scorer.

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05-18-2012, 05:23 PM
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He's the best leader in this draft class. I'm sorry that most fans don't see it, but there is a reason why everyone loves him. Big + great leader + goal scorer.
Anton Lander was the best leader in 2009 and had a good skill set...

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05-18-2012, 05:29 PM
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If I'm ranking bare, raw talent... My top 10 is this:

1. Grigorenko
2. Yakupov
3. Galchenyuk
4. Dumba
5. Teräväinen
6. Forsberg
7. Collberg
8. Rielly
9. Faksa
10. Åberg
No Murray?

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He's the best leader in this draft class. I'm sorry that most fans don't see it, but there is a reason why everyone loves him. Big + great leader + goal scorer.
I've been wondering for a while how Gaunce compares to Boone Jenner.

Both are large centers that have leadership qualities and are more known for their defensive play than being offensive dynamos.

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05-18-2012, 05:42 PM
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No Murray?
Raw talent. Murray doesn't seem like he has explosive talent.

Murray is a safe workhorse with great two-way accumen. But he's not a high-skill player.

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05-18-2012, 06:22 PM
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Now I'm getting scared, you are the same guy who said Ambroz wouldn't go after the second round last year(where I predicted him to drop like a rock...tehehehe), but I agree with you a bit. I think Kerdiles belongs in the top 25. He's better than Matteau and has been skills than Girgensons of the USHL Forward crop.
I said Brandon Saad should be a top 20 player as well...and yet he fell....some folks have some egg on their face there.. still like Ambroz, and I think the kid picks it up next year and really surprises many...

as for your other post, I will easily bet Schmaltz going ahead of Cooper, as well as Schmaltz closer to the top 30 then #60.....you got any vcash!!!!

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05-18-2012, 06:33 PM
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as well as Schmaltz closer to the top 30 then #60.....you got any vcash!!!!
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05-19-2012, 02:15 AM
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Glad I'm not the only one who doesn't like the taste of the Gaunce kool aid. He seems like he's nothing like he's advertised as. I was very disapointed with him in the 67s-Bulls series. Not really a 1st round talent and imo doesn't really have the intangibles that he's been labelled as having.
Gaunce was very disappointing at World championship.
Based on it(I´m aware it´s only one tournament) he didn´t look like first round talent. Big but not strong on puck or very physical, good balance but lacks top speed and acceleration. Didn´t show much creativity or scoring touch. Maybe he is leader but I saw some pretty lazy shifts...

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05-19-2012, 04:37 AM
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Regarding Trouba, if you want to draft D like Orpik in top 5, than why not. However I would like to get prospect with higher upside in top 5. That´s my opinion.
mmh, what?

you would have a point if Trouba ('s skillset and potential) was somewhat similar to Orpik, but that is not the case.

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Looks like Kerdiles is on a JT Miller-esque rise.
He is not.

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