HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > General Hockey Discussion > The Business of Hockey
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
The Business of Hockey Discuss the financial and business aspects of the NHL. Topics may include the CBA, work stoppages, broadcast contracts, franchise sales, and NHL revenues.

this quote pisses me off...

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
12-17-2004, 05:00 PM
  #1
Nich
Registered User
 
Nich's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Wantagh
Country: Croatia
Posts: 6,895
vCash: 500
this quote pisses me off...

Jim McKenzie of the Nashville Predators acknowledged he was tempted to accept a salary cap 10 years ago, but says he wouldn't have made the money he's made had the union caved.

"I would not be where I am now if 10 years ago the guys had given in. Ten years ago for me was tempting. I was sitting there with a young family. They weren't in school so you got up everyday and they are staring back at you. I was 22, 23 and didn't have a lot saved," the journeyman enforcer said. "There was the shock of being locked out and never thinking it would happen, and there was a real chance that the season would have been canceled. We're fortunate that it wasn't."



oh poor baby, you were worried about your future at 22 and 2, while making 300,000 a year!!! you ^&$$# #$%^#% @#$%%$%..... :mad:

Nich is offline  
Old
12-17-2004, 05:34 PM
  #2
A Good Flying Bird*
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Ann Arbor
Country: Canada
Posts: 9,359
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nich
Jim McKenzie of the Nashville Predators acknowledged he was tempted to accept a salary cap 10 years ago, but says he wouldn't have made the money he's made had the union caved.

"I would not be where I am now if 10 years ago the guys had given in. Ten years ago for me was tempting. I was sitting there with a young family. They weren't in school so you got up everyday and they are staring back at you. I was 22, 23 and didn't have a lot saved," the journeyman enforcer said. "There was the shock of being locked out and never thinking it would happen, and there was a real chance that the season would have been canceled. We're fortunate that it wasn't."



oh poor baby, you were worried about your future at 22 and 2, while making 300,000 a year!!! you ^&$$# #$%^#% @#$%%$%..... :mad:
Is it the quote that makes you mad?
Or the fact that he makes more money than you?

A Good Flying Bird* is offline  
Old
12-17-2004, 05:37 PM
  #3
Son of Steinbrenner
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Country: Tromelin
Posts: 9,578
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Newsguyone
Is it the quote that makes you mad?
Or the fact that he makes more money than you?
exactly..

Son of Steinbrenner is offline  
Old
12-17-2004, 05:42 PM
  #4
Hockeyfan02
Registered User
 
Hockeyfan02's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Pistivity
Country: United States
Posts: 14,049
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Newsguyone
Is it the quote that makes you mad?
Or the fact that he makes more money than you?
I'm guessing the latter.

Hockeyfan02 is offline  
Old
12-17-2004, 05:45 PM
  #5
Hockey_Nut99
Guest
 
Country:
Posts: n/a
vCash:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Newsguyone
Is it the quote that makes you mad?
Or the fact that he makes more money than you?
I think it's the quote. I think it would be silly of someone to get mad because these guys make more than them. I know I'm very comfortable with what I make. It's the disrespectful factor. These guys should educate themselves more and think before speaking...

The players need to try and learn where the average Joe is coming from. A lot of them must know(They weren't rich from the start). They should realize we, the fans, pay to watch them and that's where most of their income comes from(unless they have other business ventures). To me it has nothing to do with money, but morw with simple respect. Ya you guys make a lot of think about the people who get up everyday and struggle, yet they would still go watch you play. These are your target fans(unless your in Toronto lol)...

These guys don't have to care. To win some fans they should though. You shouldn't talk about being in such hardships when you make a minimim of 10 times an average Canadian salary. That's like a punch in the gut to a Canadian. It doesn't matter if your struggling and make $300 000 and you didn't save it or you don't know how to invest your money. You have an ample amount of money to work with and there is no reason you can't save even 1 year of salary. Just be more rspectful to the fans guys, that's all. Watch what you say and how you say it.

I say all this realizing that NHL players risked a lot in their lives to get to where they are and should be rewarded for it(although a lot are overpayed now). It's very very hard to get into the nhl. Just don't make DUMB COMMENTS!!!! haha

 
Old
12-17-2004, 05:52 PM
  #6
windowlicker
Registered User
 
windowlicker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Murky Wisconsin
Country: United States
Posts: 2,182
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Newsguyone
Is it the quote that makes you mad?
Or the fact that he makes more money than you?
This line of thinking I dont understand. If someone has a problem with how much a hack like Mckenzie makes in context to their own income, I wouldn't categorize that as simple jealousy, more like anger at a system which rewards mediocrity by continually raising the median-level of salaries to where someone like Jim can make what he does.

windowlicker is offline  
Old
12-17-2004, 06:11 PM
  #7
waffledave
waffledave, from hf
 
waffledave's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Montreal
Country: Canada
Posts: 20,723
vCash: 500
After taxes he's got like half that. That's not even enough to buy a house.

People talk about greedy players, but some of these guys don't make that much. They are young, don't forget. What they take home is barely enough to buy a house.

waffledave is offline  
Old
12-17-2004, 06:16 PM
  #8
A Good Flying Bird*
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Ann Arbor
Country: Canada
Posts: 9,359
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by waffledave
After taxes he's got like half that. That's not even enough to buy a house.

People talk about greedy players, but some of these guys don't make that much. They are young, don't forget. What they take home is barely enough to buy a house.
And how many guys work their entire lives and play just a season or two or less?
Quite a few.

A Good Flying Bird* is offline  
Old
12-17-2004, 06:19 PM
  #9
x-bob
Registered User
 
x-bob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Montreal
Country: Canada
Posts: 7,984
vCash: 500
The reason I don't like this quote is that it makes it seem that if the Union would have caved, he would be living on the street and making the minimum salary. Hockey players just want to be pittied but they don't diserve it.

x-bob is offline  
Old
12-17-2004, 06:23 PM
  #10
A Good Flying Bird*
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Ann Arbor
Country: Canada
Posts: 9,359
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by x-bob
The reason I don't like this quote is that it makes it seem that if the Union would have caved, he would be living on the street and making the minimum salary. Hockey players just want to be pittied but they don't diserve it.
Pitied?
Dude, he's simply saying that he made pretty good money in his career, more than he would have made if the union had collapsed during an earlier negotiation.

That's pretty much what just about every union worker in the country believes.

A Good Flying Bird* is offline  
Old
12-17-2004, 06:24 PM
  #11
mudcrutch79
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: The Big Smoke
Posts: 3,903
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Newsguyone
And how many guys work their entire lives and play just a season or two or less?
Quite a few.
To be honest, who gives a rat's ass about those guys? These guys make decisions to focus on hockey instead of school, and if it doesn't work out, they're the ones responsible for the consequences. No one is owed the opportunity to play in the NHL.

But then I don't have much sympathy for laid off NHL employees either, so I might just be a *******.

mudcrutch79 is offline  
Old
12-17-2004, 06:27 PM
  #12
x-bob
Registered User
 
x-bob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Montreal
Country: Canada
Posts: 7,984
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Newsguyone
Pitied?
Dude, he's simply saying that he made pretty good money in his career, more than he would have made if the union had collapsed during an earlier negotiation.

That's pretty much what just about every union worker in the country believes.
I'm not only talking about him when I say pitied. I'm talking about Modano who has to feed his dog, Holik who has to buy his 3 Ferrari and all the other overpaid hockey players.

x-bob is offline  
Old
12-17-2004, 06:43 PM
  #13
Hockey_Nut99
Guest
 
Country:
Posts: n/a
vCash:
Quote:
Originally Posted by waffledave
After taxes he's got like half that. That's not even enough to buy a house.

People talk about greedy players, but some of these guys don't make that much. They are young, don't forget. What they take home is barely enough to buy a house.
That's hilarious. After a tax cut a lot of these guys who make the minumums till make mroe than a doctor. You do know most people don't buy a house in cash or after one years salary right? That's what a mortgage does

 
Old
12-17-2004, 07:04 PM
  #14
YellHockey*
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 2,830
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hockey_Nut99
That's hilarious. After a tax cut a lot of these guys who make the minumums till make mroe than a doctor. You do know most people don't buy a house in cash or after one years salary right? That's what a mortgage does
A doctor has a far longer career then a hockey player. As well, a mortgage is usually longer then a hockey player's career.

How likely is a bank to give a mortgage to a hockey player when they don't have a guaranteed source of income for the next 20 years? A player's career, especially for a fringe player, can end in the blink of an eye.

YellHockey* is offline  
Old
12-17-2004, 07:04 PM
  #15
waffledave
waffledave, from hf
 
waffledave's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Montreal
Country: Canada
Posts: 20,723
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hockey_Nut99
That's hilarious. After a tax cut a lot of these guys who make the minumums till make mroe than a doctor. You do know most people don't buy a house in cash or after one years salary right? That's what a mortgage does
EDIT: Nevermind, BlackRedGold just said what I wanted to say

And if I had the money, I would buy a house straight up right away.

waffledave is offline  
Old
12-17-2004, 09:27 PM
  #16
Oiler_Fan
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 220
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackRedGold
A player's career, especially for a fringe player, can end in the blink of an eye.
I don't like it when this is used as an argument to imply some kind of entitlement. A pro hockey career is only 1 to 20 years in the life of a human being. Nothing to stop them from spending the other 30 to 50 years of their life making an honest buck to pay the mortgage.

Oiler_Fan is offline  
Old
12-17-2004, 10:41 PM
  #17
YellHockey*
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 2,830
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oiler_Fan
I don't like it when this is used as an argument to imply some kind of entitlement. A pro hockey career is only 1 to 20 years in the life of a human being. Nothing to stop them from spending the other 30 to 50 years of their life making an honest buck to pay the mortgage.
I'm not looking at it as some kind of entitlement. I'm looking at it from the perspective of a banker.

Is he willing to take a risk to give a mortgage to a fringe NHLer? What kind of skills does that NHLer have to pay off his mortgage if his hockey career is over?

YellHockey* is offline  
Old
12-17-2004, 10:43 PM
  #18
Hockey_Nut99
Guest
 
Country:
Posts: n/a
vCash:
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackRedGold
I'm not looking at it as some kind of entitlement. I'm looking at it from the perspective of a banker.

Is he willing to take a risk to give a mortgage to a fringe NHLer? What kind of skills does that NHLer have to pay off his mortgage if his hockey career is over?
Well people go become hockey players knowing it's not a life long career. That's where hockey players become responsible and make sure they have something to do after hockey.

 
Old
12-17-2004, 10:59 PM
  #19
Boilers*
 
Boilers*'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 5,165
vCash: 500
A couple comercials and voila mortgage payed. Seriously though it depends on where the house is. A $250,000 house in Nashville might go for 2.1 mill in New York.

Boilers* is offline  
Old
12-18-2004, 02:07 AM
  #20
quat
winsome, loathsome
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Victoria BC
Posts: 9,418
vCash: 500
Send a message via ICQ to quat
Quote:
Originally Posted by Newsguyone
Pitied?
Dude, he's simply saying that he made pretty good money in his career, more than he would have made if the union had collapsed during an earlier negotiation.

That's pretty much what just about every union worker in the country believes.
Maybe he would have made less. So? If the Owners weren't hell bent on expansion, he likely would never even have made a penny of NHL money. Why complain about stuff like this? Enjoy the gravy when it's there, and move on to the ... er... brussel sprouts when it's gone.

quat is offline  
Old
12-18-2004, 06:11 AM
  #21
I.am.ca
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Langley
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,121
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nich
Jim McKenzie of the Nashville Predators acknowledged he was tempted to accept a salary cap 10 years ago, but says he wouldn't have made the money he's made had the union caved.

"I would not be where I am now if 10 years ago the guys had given in. Ten years ago for me was tempting. I was sitting there with a young family. They weren't in school so you got up everyday and they are staring back at you. I was 22, 23 and didn't have a lot saved," the journeyman enforcer said. "There was the shock of being locked out and never thinking it would happen, and there was a real chance that the season would have been canceled. We're fortunate that it wasn't."



oh poor baby, you were worried about your future at 22 and 2, while making 300,000 a year!!! you ^&$$# #$%^#% @#$%%$%..... :mad:

Didn't have a lot saved, learn better money management skills you idiot. Tired of these stupid nhl players crying about their kids, people that make 30,000 a year put aside money so their kids can be happy, these idiots make 5mill and can't do it half the time.

Jim McKenzie isn't really a franchise player so who cares, he sucks, he's old now and should retire.

I.am.ca is offline  
Old
12-18-2004, 09:21 AM
  #22
petrobruin
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: London Ont.
Posts: 651
vCash: 500
B.s.

Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackRedGold
A doctor has a far longer career then a hockey player. As well, a mortgage is usually longer then a hockey player's career.

How likely is a bank to give a mortgage to a hockey player when they don't have a guaranteed source of income for the next 20 years? A player's career, especially for a fringe player, can end in the blink of an eye.
Than all hockey players better have an education to back up there athletic talents .

Should we be sad that they decided to risk there future on a career in the NHL and than it didn't work out.

Sorry no sympathy here , try again

Petr

petrobruin is offline  
Old
12-18-2004, 10:00 AM
  #23
ColinM
Registered User
 
ColinM's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Halifax
Country: Canada
Posts: 308
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by petrobruin
Than all hockey players better have an education to back up there athletic talents .

Should we be sad that they decided to risk there future on a career in the NHL and than it didn't work out.

Sorry no sympathy here , try again

Petr
But of course we can all get jealous when their risk pays off and they actually make money in the NHL.

ColinM is offline  
Old
12-18-2004, 10:12 AM
  #24
CarlRacki
Registered User
 
CarlRacki's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 1,423
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackRedGold
A doctor has a far longer career then a hockey player. As well, a mortgage is usually longer then a hockey player's career.

How likely is a bank to give a mortgage to a hockey player when they don't have a guaranteed source of income for the next 20 years? A player's career, especially for a fringe player, can end in the blink of an eye.
First of all, very few people have a guaranteed source of income for the next 20 years. So, apparently none of us are able to obtain mortgages. Hmmm ... I must have pulled a fast one on my bankers.

Regardless, the notion that professional athletes making $300K to $10 million a year struggle to get mortgages is ridiculous. The fact remains these guys make more in a year - excluding their off-ice opportunities - than most people earn in 20. Therefore, that their career lasts only a quarter of the average working man's is irrelevant. A guy who plays pro hockey on a decent level for a decade can earn $5 million. It would take the average person 100 years or more to earn that amount. Yet they want our sympathy?

But this day play into the larger point. Most of these guys have mortgages and expenses based on their expected incomes, not few thousand a month they're getting from the NHLPA or even what they're earning in Europe. As a result, there's going to be a lot of pressure on them in the coming months to get back to playing in the NHL. Either that, or we're going to have some pretty sweet garage sales coming up.

CarlRacki is offline  
Old
12-18-2004, 11:30 AM
  #25
petrobruin
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: London Ont.
Posts: 651
vCash: 500
Not

Quote:
Originally Posted by ColinM
But of course we can all get jealous when their risk pays off and they actually make money in the NHL.
Envious but not jealous a little different.

petrobruin is offline  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:45 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2015 All Rights Reserved.