HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > General Hockey Discussion > The Business of Hockey
The Business of Hockey Discuss the financial and business aspects of the NHL. Topics may include the CBA, work stoppages, broadcast contracts, franchise sales, and NHL revenues.

Don Cherry says . . . Adam Graves says . . .

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
12-17-2004, 12:23 PM
  #26
FLYLine24*
 
FLYLine24*'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: NY
Country: United States
Posts: 29,102
vCash: 500
For the record..Graves is RETIRED. He finishing up his education and does some work for TSN.

FLYLine24* is offline  
Old
12-17-2004, 12:23 PM
  #27
Onion Boy
Registered User
 
Onion Boy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Brooklyn, NY
Country: Japan
Posts: 2,676
vCash: 500
Forbes...?

Onion Boy is offline  
Old
12-17-2004, 02:43 PM
  #28
PecaFan
Registered User
 
PecaFan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Ottawa (Go 'Nucks)
Posts: 8,904
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by officeglen
Except now what is revenue in the NFL is coming into question again. See:
http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3161910
There's no "question" there. Previously, the union agreed to get 65% of X, now they simply want 65% of Y.

You make it sound like they suddenly realised <soylent>"Oh my God! Parking is REVENUE!</soylent>

PecaFan is offline  
Old
12-17-2004, 02:57 PM
  #29
Trottier
Very Random
 
Trottier's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: San Diego
Posts: 27,545
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie D
That's right, the NFL is proof that you can't accurately determine the revenues that would be used in computing the cap. My mistake, the NFL and, for that matter, the NBA have been doing it without a problem for a number of years.

Never mind
EXACTLY!

So only in the NHL (and MLB) can figures not be agreed upon? Only in these two sports can an accounting process/authority not be agreed upon?

Yet it can be done (and is done) in the NBA and NFL?

Defies logic that the two sides cannot come to agreement on this. Unless, they simply do not wish to.

Trottier is offline  
Old
12-17-2004, 04:06 PM
  #30
A Good Flying Bird*
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Ann Arbor
Country: Canada
Posts: 9,359
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Trottier
EXACTLY!

So only in the NHL (and MLB) can figures not be agreed upon? Only in these two sports can an accounting process/authority not be agreed upon?

Yet it can be done (and is done) in the NBA and NFL?

Defies logic that the two sides cannot come to agreement on this. Unless, they simply do not wish to.
I agree that players don't trust the owners to account for their revenues. But that speaks more to trust than it does to issues of accounting.
Of course the league and the PA could come an agreement on accounting issues and it could be done by third parties (perhaps).
But the issue is this: The players don't want salaries artificially by the proposed cost-certainty salary cap.

Over the past decade, NHL players have joined players in the other leagues when it comes to salaries.
The owners proposal is going to knock them down about 30 percent (Notice that benefits are included in cost-certainty).
Good money for the average joe.
Good money for hockey players, historically.
But not good money if you're the one giving up the money you bargained for based on your work.

That's the issue here, regardless of what players might say. The other stuff is all peripheral.

A Good Flying Bird* is offline  
Old
12-17-2004, 10:35 PM
  #31
Lobstertainment
Registered User
 
Lobstertainment's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Toronto
Country: Canada
Posts: 11,250
vCash: 500
Send a message via MSN to Lobstertainment
Quote:
Originally Posted by PecaFan
There's no "question" there. Previously, the union agreed to get 65% of X, now they simply want 65% of Y.

You make it sound like they suddenly realised <soylent>"Oh my God! Parking is REVENUE!</soylent>
:lol

mmmmmmmmmmmm Soylent Green

Lobstertainment is offline  
Old
12-18-2004, 02:06 AM
  #32
I.am.ca
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Langley
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,121
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Puck
After Enron, I would think the word 'crooks' would be considered a compliment.

Brian Burke's mouth is just flapping to keep himself in the limelight. He needs a job. Too bad he's not still the Canucks' GM right now. He'd have to shut-up and quit polluting the noosphere.

Brian Burke works for TSN, he has a job. So if he has a job, then why would he be looking for a job when he's already employed. You kinda put the proverbial foot in your mouth didn't you.

Fact is, the NHL went and got a legit accountant to check the financial situation of the NHL and saw that yeah its in shambles and that it needs to be fixed now or the crack will just get bigger and bigger till its a huge gaping hole.

All the PRO NHLPA people seem to be very arrogent people, just like Goodenow, you refuse to see the mess that the big contracts have caused. The NHLPA is a joke, they call people scabs then go over to europe to play and take jobs away from european hockey players and turn into scabs themselves to the european hockey players.

The hell with the Union, Goodenow can eat a heaping pile of sh-t for all i care. Out of the two leaders, Goodenow will be gone for sure as he's been back peddling since the whole mess has started, he's the one sounding like a child and like a fool. I don't even know how the hell the players even follow him, he's soo damn stupid.

I.am.ca is offline  
Old
12-18-2004, 03:13 PM
  #33
Donnie D
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 700
vCash: 500
[/COLOR]

Except now what is revenue in the NFL is coming into question again. See:
http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3161910

[/QUOTE]

You missed the entire point. What was said in the earlier post was that the NHL and players could not identify revenues. Nonsense. The NFL and the players were able to negotiate the types of revenues that would be included when determining the salary cap and are able to independently verify that all of those revenues are being included in the calculation.

The NFL players are now asking that other types of revenues also be included. It may be that in return for including additional types of revenues that they will settle on a smaller percentage. That's what negotiations is all about. Something the NHL players association is missing.

Donnie D is offline  
Old
12-18-2004, 04:41 PM
  #34
Puck
Ninja
 
Puck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Ottawa
Country: Tahiti
Posts: 8,588
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by I.am.ca
Brian Burke works for TSN, he has a job. So if he has a job, then why would he be looking for a job when he's already employed.......

.....The hell with the Union, Goodenow can eat a heaping pile of sh-t for all i care. Out of the two leaders, Goodenow will be gone for sure as he's been back peddling since the whole mess has started, he's the one sounding like a child and like a fool. I don't even know how the hell the players even follow him, he's soo damn stupid.
Brian. Burke. is. searching. for. a. real. job. in. the. NHL. paying. millions.$. he. doesn't. want. the. players. to. get. At. TSN. that's. not. a. real. job. that's. a. part-time. gig.

The. NHLPA. will. be. there. long. after. you. and. I. are. gone.

Unions. are. legal....get. used. to. it.

Puck is offline  
Old
12-18-2004, 09:26 PM
  #35
two out of three*
 
two out of three*'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Newbury Park, CA
Country: United States
Posts: 4,829
vCash: 500
Send a message via ICQ to two out of three* Send a message via AIM to two out of three*
Quote:
Originally Posted by Puck
Brian. Burke. is. searching. for. a. real. job. in. the. NHL. paying. millions.$. he. doesn't. want. the. players. to. get. At. TSN. that's. not. a. real. job. that's. a. part-time. gig.

The. NHLPA. will. be. there. long. after. you. and. I. are. gone.

Unions. are. legal....get. used. to. it.

. . ....

two out of three* is offline  
Old
12-19-2004, 08:59 AM
  #36
misterjaggers
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: The Duke City
Country: United States
Posts: 14,273
vCash: 500
Who can seriously believe that the well-respected former head of the SEC leading a high-profile audit is going to cook the books? That's ludicrous and paranoid. That's why the NHLPA won't hire a CPA firm to audit the NHL's books. It achieves nothing.

misterjaggers is offline  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:00 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2014 All Rights Reserved.