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05-18-2012, 11:18 PM
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What is Bozak's contract situation like?
$1.5MM next season then a UFA.

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05-18-2012, 11:40 PM
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05-19-2012, 09:16 AM
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Staal for either Oshie or Perron+?
Staal for Oshie, where do I sign?

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05-19-2012, 12:08 PM
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Thanks? Sarcasm is lost on the internet, young one.

The criteria OP wanted was a 40+ point 2nd line center, good defensively and has size.

Kesler is a Selke winner, plays with his heart on his sleeve, and puts up 40+ points in the past 5 years. (37 in one of his years)

You really think Vancouver would just let him go without something of value coming back?

edit: misread title, my fault, thought you were looking for a 2nd line center.
To get a 2nd line centreman like that it is going to cost you big time, that is what every team is looking for in a 2nd line centreman.
Lets take a look at some centreman that is being thrown around here:
Sutter- 23yrs old; 6 3 183 lbs; 17 g; 15 assist; 32 points; 50.5% FO
Bolland - 25yrs old; 6 184lbs; 19 g; 18 assist; 37 points; 48.4% FO
Gagner - 23yrs old; 5 11; 195lbs; 18 g; 29 assists; 47 points; 47.6% FO

These are guys that are young legit 2nd line centreman very good 3rd line centreman

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05-19-2012, 12:17 PM
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How about Buffalo helps you out with a #2C & a #2 d-man to play with Pietrangelo...

To

C Derek Roy ($4M)
D Andrej Sekera ($2.75M)
2012 3rd RND pick [73rd]

To

RW Chris Stewart ($2.875M RFA)
C/W Philip McRae ($854K)
2012 1st RND pick [25th]

Deal?
BUF is giving up way to much. Sekera is a good young dman, I would say Roy for Stewart would work well for both teams.

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05-20-2012, 09:55 AM
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BUF is giving up way to much. Sekera is a good young dman, I would say Roy for Stewart would work well for both teams.
Roy for Stewart straight up I think is worse value for the Sabres than the first one.

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05-20-2012, 10:01 AM
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Staal for Oshie, where do I sign?
We have worked it out to either Oshie+1st or Oshie+Allen in the Staal thread. Would that still work for you?

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05-20-2012, 10:24 AM
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We have worked it out to either Oshie+1st or Oshie+Allen in the Staal thread. Would that still work for you?
What is coming back with Staal?

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What is coming back with Staal?


I could probably cut a special deal on Martin, but that's really about it.

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I could probably cut a special deal on Martin, but that's really about it.
Then no go. Staal is not worth Oshie and a 1st.

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There's an idea in the D'ags thread of a D'agostini for Backlund swap, I think that could be a good move for both teams

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There's an idea in the D'ags thread of a D'agostini for Backlund swap, I think that could be a good move for both teams
Yeah the deal is

D'Agostini
2nd

for

Backlund
3rd

I like it

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I seriously doubt the Flames would trade Matt Stajan for just a 3rd. That is basically just a salary dump. If they would, I'd take it, probably even for a 2nd. He'd likely score about 15g and 25a with the Blues wingers. That is a solid 3rd line center.
If that's the case, then I hope nobody complains about Stajan for a 2nd because I could also imagine him reaching those point totals.

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A third sounds fair. What about he and Giordano? What would it cost the Blues?
The moment we throw in Gio, I'm thinking most Flames will be clamoring for Rattie at the very least like we've been doing for a while. Whatever else that needs to be thrown in for extras, I can't imagine exactly.

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Yeah the deal is

D'Agostini
2nd

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Backlund
fyp and I still don't like it.
Call me optimistic but Backlund is a guy who just needs that lightbulb to go off and put everything together.

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If that's the case, then I hope nobody complains about Stajan for a 2nd because I could also imagine him reaching those point totals.



The moment we throw in Gio, I'm thinking most Flames will be clamoring for Rattie at the very least like we've been doing for a while. Whatever else that needs to be thrown in for extras, I can't imagine exactly.


fyp and I still don't like it.
Call me optimistic but Backlund is a guy who just needs that lightbulb to go off and put everything together.

So how would flames fans be with

Rattie
D'ags
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Backlund
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So how would flames fans be with

Rattie
D'ags
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Backlund
Gio
That would probably have to be a first then...overpayment and all.


*Unless someone can convince the Flames they require rebuilding.

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That would probably have to be a first then...overpayment and all.


*Unless someone can convince the Flames they require rebuilding.
I wouldn't add a 1st.

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Roy for Stewart straight up I think is worse value for the Sabres than the first one.
No kidding. I'd much rather do stewart for roy than the first deal.

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No kidding. I'd much rather do stewart for roy than the first deal.
Yup. I'm not actively looking to trade Chris Stewart, but if that was offered, you'd have to jump at it.

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Then no go. Staal is not worth Oshie and a 1st.
If they think they can sign him them I would add the first. This is the first time in years the Blues have had a first that they can afford to trade.

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I'd consider Oshie and a 2nd for Staal, but Oshie and a first seems like too much

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If they think they can sign him them I would add the first. This is the first time in years the Blues have had a first that they can afford to trade.
Don't really know, but I'd take it as a given that both teams get to figure things out with the players and whether that can be fit under their budget/cap in this situation. We obviously wouldn't be high on giving Oshie 5m per and I can definitely see how you would not be shooting for a 7m contract here either.

This may also make it 2013 draft picks.

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I'd consider Oshie and a 2nd for Staal, but Oshie and a first seems like too much
Your 1st is basically a second though, so IDK, do you have another second not your own inbetween, so that we could just call it meeting in the middle? LOL.

It's just something that we came up with in the Staal thread and it's not like this was the first outrageous Pens demand, it was actually the product of haggling it out so to speak. I really just wanted to get some more Blues opinions and it was obviously a bad idea to start a new thread, when a center for Blues and a Jordan Staal thread already existed. So thanks for the input.

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Don't really know, but I'd take it as a given that both teams get to figure things out with the players and whether that can be fit under their budget/cap in this situation. We obviously wouldn't be high on giving Oshie 5m per and I can definitely see how you would not be shooting for a 7m contract here either.

This may also make it 2013 draft picks.



Your 1st is basically a second though, so IDK, do you have another second not your own inbetween, so that we could just call it meeting in the middle? LOL.

It's just something that we came up with in the Staal thread and it's not like this was the first outrageous Pens demand, it was actually the product of haggling it out so to speak. I really just wanted to get some more Blues opinions and it was obviously a bad idea to start a new thread, when a center for Blues and a Jordan Staal thread already existed. So thanks for the input.
I not sure I follow. Could you elaborate?

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I not sure I follow. Could you elaborate?
It means, that Oshie is RFA now, so that's not the rosiest of contract situations either. Wouldn't want to trade for him if my options where either overpaying him or letting him walk after a year, same as everyone says about Staal. So it would be best for both sides to agree to figure this stuff out beforehand and only do the trade, if everyone was onboard with it. Yes? Or I may be wrong, I admit I got my info from capgeek here.

The numbers itself where just random hyperbole I came up with on the spot.

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I get that Stewart has more value than Backlund, but both are RFA's. What else would the Flames need to kick in to make it more fair from the Blues perspective? My thought process is, it is clear that Stewart is not working out on the Blues, so why not use him to fill an organizational need? Backlund could become part of the young core there, and has the natural skill to centre someone like a Tarasenko for next season.
I just started reading this thread, so this post may be premature.

I love the Flames and you guys need the size of a guy like Chris Stewart. But, then again, Calgary has several holes. D'Agostini is faster and has a better all-around game than does Stewart, plus he's also a RFA.

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If that's the case, then I hope nobody complains about Stajan for a 2nd because I could also imagine him reaching those point totals.



The moment we throw in Gio, I'm thinking most Flames will be clamoring for Rattie at the very least like we've been doing for a while. Whatever else that needs to be thrown in for extras, I can't imagine exactly.


fyp and I still don't like it.
Call me optimistic but Backlund is a guy who just needs that lightbulb to go off and put everything together.
It seems that most of us are optimistic of Backlund's potential. That's why I want him on the Blues.

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