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05-20-2012, 07:35 PM
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Honest question. Do blues fans think Oshie is as proven as Staal?

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05-20-2012, 07:46 PM
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Perhaps something around Dubinsky and Stewart as the core pieces?
Honestly, I'd be more interested in Artem Anisimov.
Bigger, younger, cheaper, Russian (the Tarasenko angle), just as good defensively.

Could something around Stewart and Anisimov work?

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05-20-2012, 08:26 PM
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Honest question. Do blues fans think Oshie is as proven as Staal?

"Proven" is a subjective adjective in this case, so you would probably need to elaborate to get a thorough answer. However I will say that Oshie has been an incredibly consistent player throughout his career. Plausibly more consistent than Staal(who has been pretty consistent himself).

If you are really asking if Oshie's value is proportionate to Staal's value, I think the answer is yes.

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05-20-2012, 08:32 PM
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Honest question. Do blues fans think Oshie is as proven as Staal?
Yes. Does that mean that Oshie is a better player? No. Staal has not yet proven that he himself is a number 1 or 2 center. I am confident he can be a very good number 2 center but he has yet to prove he can be a top tier number 2 center or low end number 1. I think Oshie has shown what he is capable off last year, pair him with Crosby or Malkin and he is a 60+ point winger who brings physicall play and good d play. He had 54 points on the low scoring Blues. Oshie is a very complete player he has just never had the benefit of playing with a real top notch center.

I think Staal has more value so that is why I would add the 1st.

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05-20-2012, 08:49 PM
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"Proven" is a subjective adjective in this case, so you would probably need to elaborate to get a thorough answer. However I will say that Oshie has been an incredibly consistent player throughout his career. Plausibly more consistent than Staal(who has been pretty consistent himself).

If you are really asking if Oshie's value is proportionate to Staal's value, I think the answer is yes.
I agree. Proven is pretty subjective, especially on HF. A more clear direction of what is meant would be helpful.

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05-20-2012, 09:06 PM
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I think Oshie and Staal are at about the same point in terms of development and being proven. I'd say both are poised to really breakout in the near future in the right role.

Staal showed last season that he can be a very good #2 center when Crosby missed 60 games. He played the best hockey of his career and probably would have scored over 30 goals if not for the 20 missed games due to a knee injury.

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05-20-2012, 09:17 PM
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I like the Bozak + for Stewart idea. But what about Grabovski? His contract isn't great (5.5M for 5 years) but he's a great player and a leader, I wouldn't really want to trade him, pure speculation.

Grabovski + Jerry D'amigo for Stewart + 1st?

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No. He's too expensive and that's overpayment.

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05-20-2012, 09:57 PM
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So how would flames fans be with

Rattie
D'ags
2nd

For

Backlund
Gio
If there was a 1st, I'd probably bite on that. Otherwise, counter:


Rattie
D'ags
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Stajan
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05-20-2012, 10:03 PM
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Don't really know, but I'd take it as a given that both teams get to figure things out with the players and whether that can be fit under their budget/cap in this situation. We obviously wouldn't be high on giving Oshie 5m per and I can definitely see how you would not be shooting for a 7m contract here either.

This may also make it 2013 draft picks.



Your 1st is basically a second though, so IDK, do you have another second not your own inbetween, so that we could just call it meeting in the middle? LOL.

It's just something that we came up with in the Staal thread and it's not like this was the first outrageous Pens demand, it was actually the product of haggling it out so to speak. I really just wanted to get some more Blues opinions and it was obviously a bad idea to start a new thread, when a center for Blues and a Jordan Staal thread already existed. So thanks for the input.

No we don't unfortunately. I don't think it's outrageous for Pens fans to ask for a 1st in addition. Not a price I want to pay, but it's not a ridiculous demand either.

How about Oshie + 1st for Staal + 2nd?

As for Oshie being as "proven" as Staal, I'm too would like clarification on what that means before trying to answer.

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05-20-2012, 10:26 PM
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We are not trading Oshie AND a 1st for Staal. Our 1st rounder is around 25th, but realize that Oshie was a 24th overall pick himself and the Blues have a pretty good scouting team so I feel they could get a solid player in that position (they got Rattie in the 2nd round last year). And that's another thing...we lost our 1st rounder last year so no, we aren't looking to just give away our 2012 1st to Pittsburgh. It just isn't happening.

Oshie and a 2nd for Staal, or Oshie/1st for Staal/2nd...now that could be discussed.

The difference between Oshie and Staal on the Blues is not big enough to give up a 1st. Oshie + something else less than that I would probably do, although I'd hate to give up Oshie because he's such a solid player and would be sick on Pittsburgh. I'd much rather deal Perron but it all depends on what Shero would want. Either way, it seems Blues and Pens fans are pretty close on an agreement.

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05-20-2012, 10:28 PM
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I just started reading this thread, so this post may be premature.

I love the Flames and you guys need the size of a guy like Chris Stewart. But, then again, Calgary has several holes. D'Agostini is faster and has a better all-around game than does Stewart, plus he's also a RFA.
Debatable, besides the faster part. D'Agostini's all around game is nothing to speak of, really. He knows how to skate and shoot the puck.

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05-21-2012, 01:01 AM
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Debatable, besides the faster part. D'Agostini's all around game is nothing to speak of, really. He knows how to skate and shoot the puck.
D'Agostini's two way game is better than Stewarts for sure, but Stewart is more gifted offensively than D'agostini.

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D'Agostini's two way game is better than Stewarts for sure, but Stewart is more gifted offensively than D'agostini.
Possibly, although neither of them really have a defensive game so there's really nothing to compare.

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05-21-2012, 01:28 AM
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If there was a 1st, I'd probably bite on that. .... [clipped for relevance]
I would totally do D'Agostini, Rattie, 1st for Giordano and Backlund.

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Possibly, although neither of them really have a defensive game so there's really nothing to compare.
I think that while neither of them are spectacular defensively, D'Agostini's better speed allows him to catch up to plays better than Stewart. Not that Stewart is slow, just that he is slower than D'Agostini.

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05-21-2012, 06:35 AM
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I think Oshie has shown what he is capable off last year, pair him with Crosby or Malkin and he is a 60+ point winger who brings physicall play and good d play. He had 54 points on the low scoring Blues.
I agree with your assesment of Oshie completely. He is awesome and a lot more like what Pittsburgh needs than most other wingers discussed in trade for Staal. It's effing tedious, this constant putting down of players you'd obviously love on your team.

That said, LOL @ "pair him with Crosby or Malkin and...", that is a bona fide internet meme by now.

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How about Oshie + 1st for Staal + 2nd?
I'd do it, but I am also just about the most sold on Oshie, so we should probably let someone else weigh in too.

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05-21-2012, 06:37 AM
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Possibly, although neither of them really have a defensive game so there's really nothing to compare.
I will admit that neither is going to be on a shut-down line any time soon, but neither of them are even close to be liabilities either. Everybody on our team plays at least an acceptable defensive game. You don't come within a goal of breaking records otherwise.

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05-21-2012, 08:40 AM
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Get Jori Lehterä to NA, give him a chance and don't lose any assets. He was a PPG player in KHL till he got injured. He has size, but is rather slow skater. Not ideal 2C but could be 3rd line center.

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05-21-2012, 12:12 PM
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Get Jori Lehterä to NA, give him a chance and don't lose any assets. He was a PPG player in KHL till he got injured. He has size, but is rather slow skater. Not ideal 2C but could be 3rd line center.
Doesn't sound like he's willing to come without a guarantee of a 1 way deal, which the Blues obviously won't offer at this point.

I'd be very happy to get him over here, but I'm not holding my breath anytime soon.

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05-21-2012, 01:19 PM
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Doesn't sound like he's willing to come without a guarantee of a 1 way deal, which the Blues obviously won't offer at this point.

I'd be very happy to get him over here, but I'm not holding my breath anytime soon.
Pretty much this, Ive read reports that say he is interested in coming over but he has also said in the past that he hated playing in the AHL

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I'd like to see

Dubinsky
for
Sebastian Wännström and a 2nd

Then the Rangers throw a ton of cash at Parise.

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How about Buffalo helps you out with a #2C & a #2 d-man to play with Pietrangelo...

To blues

C Derek Roy ($4M)
D Andrej Sekera ($2.75M)
2012 3rd RND pick [73rd]

To sabres

RW Chris Stewart ($2.875M RFA)
C/W Philip McRae ($854K)
2012 1st RND pick [25th]

Deal?
Blues do this in a second. Solves three problems with one stone.

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sign Jarrett Stoll
If you lose out, sign Paul Gaustad.

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I'd like to see

Dubinsky
for
Sebastian Wännström and a 2nd

Then the Rangers throw a ton of cash at Parise.



Blues do this in a second. Solves three problems with one stone.



If you lose out, sign Paul Gaustad.


Blues cant take on Dubi's contract

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Gagner and a 2nd 2013 for perron

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Gagner and a 2nd 2013 for perron
No chance

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Gagner and a 2nd 2013 for perron
The Blues like their centers to have size. Look at the Blues top 3 centers this past season. Gagner is not a fit in St Louis at all and it would take a lot more then a 2nd to get us to send Perron. I really don't think Perron is available at all.

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