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05-17-2012, 01:56 AM
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An Interesting Rangers Playoff Observation

It seems that most of the time an opponent has gotten a wide open shot at the net, it's been a shot by the team's most talented sniper.

First round Alfie had a couple of wide open shots, second round OV had two wide open looks that he buried, and in Game 2 Kovulchuck was left alone when he snapped a nice wrister past Hank.

Some of these goals were during PK situations where our guys unfortunately tripped or fell, but I just found it interesting that all the completely open looks against Hank were by the other team's best players. Correct me if I'm wrong, but just about every single goal from a non-top player opponent did not come from a wide open shot.

Just my two cents.

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05-17-2012, 02:09 AM
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Perhaps that's just simply a result of them being top-players..?

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they're stars for a reason. they know how to slip the d/find space. too bad gaborik can't do that... not only that, but kovi's shot was one that lundqvist is supposed to take. and wasn't kovi's a pp goal? lundqvist is supposed to take the shooter. he had no option other than to shoot. maybe lundqvist needs to not suck with his glove.

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they're stars for a reason. they know how to slip the d/find space. too bad gaborik can't do that... not only that, but kovi's shot was one that lundqvist is supposed to take. and wasn't kovi's a pp goal? lundqvist is supposed to take the shooter. he had no option other than to shoot. maybe lundqvist needs to not suck with his glove.
Uh? Are you blaming Hank for not saving a perfect shot from short distance, plus it was one of the best snipers in the world. There's not a goalie that saves that shot, in the same situation.

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Uh? Are you blaming Hank for not saving a perfect shot from short distance, plus it was one of the best snipers in the world. There's not a goalie that saves that shot, in the same situation.
i thought it was pretty clear what i said.

the goalie takes the shooter. maybe it's not the best thing for kovi to be the shooter in that situation, but it was a shot that hank had a perfect view of and he has the reaction speed to handle it.

either he needs to be more aggressive and take the net away, or he needs to stop the puck unchallenged. he's a world class goalie. that was not a goal that should've gone in regardless of who shot it. kovi shouldn't have that much space. lundqvist was even out of position on the shot. some shots the goalie has no chance. this one he had one. maybe that's just what hank gets for playing deep.

either way he did not appear to be in position.

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i think the the way we collapse leaving men open, then we start running around, that's when we blow coverages, especially on opposing Stars (ie. OV, Backstrom, Aflie, Spezza) and now Kovachuk, Parise, etc.

it's a shame that we can't find the wide open chances and space for our supposed "Star" guys, namely Gaborik. He is God Awful out there......

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What's so annoying is that it seems like whenever the other team gets chances, it's their star players. Whenever the Rangers generate chances, they belong to ham-hands like Boyle, Prust, Feds, Mitchell...

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It's part of their strategy. Collapse down low leaving point man open. In some cases it's been the other team star wide open.

Flawed strategy. imo.

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It's part of their strategy. Collapse down low leaving point man open. In some cases it's been the other team star wide open.

Flawed strategy. imo.
Agreed. Yesterday the Rangers got burned twice from deflected point shots. They've been getting burned by those shots since the playoff started.

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What's so annoying is that it seems like whenever the other team gets chances, it's their star players. Whenever the Rangers generate chances, they belong to ham-hands like Boyle, Prust, Feds, Mitchell...
yup....we ALWAYS seem to get our best chances with Cement Hands Prust, Rock Hands Boyle, and Johny Gretzky and Co. out there.

ALWAYS

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Girardi also got picked off trying to get in position to defend against Kovy. I am surprised I have not seen that mentioned more.

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Girardi also got picked off trying to get in position to defend against Kovy. I am surprised I have not seen that mentioned more.
I'm with you man. I saw it all the up in the 400s. Textbook interference.

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Agreed. Yesterday the Rangers got burned twice from deflected point shots. They've been getting burned by those shots since the playoff started.


Frankly I believe the main reason why they scored is that we continue to flirt with danger by tossing the puck back and forth along the boards, rather than getting the puck out of the zone, especially when we have the chance.

On the Devils 2nd goal we were in possession 3 times before they tied the game with little time left in the period.

MDZ wins the puck and skate behind the net, passes to McD who opts to pass to
Gabby near the Blue line, Gabby tries to play rather than just deflect it.

3 clear possibilities to clear the puck, lobby it into the neutral zone. this system of holding on to the puck can/will bite us. Yesterday the Devils took advantage.

I think we are continuing to play this dangerous game.

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In honor of meaningless stats, such as the fact that no team playing 14 games in the first 2 rounds ever winning a cup, my interesting playoff observation is that the Rangers are undefeated in Game 3's this postseason, so Saturday is a lock ;-)

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What's so annoying is that it seems like whenever the other team gets chances, it's their star players. Whenever the Rangers generate chances, they belong to ham-hands like Boyle, Prust, Feds, Mitchell...
I guess that's exactly what I was getting at and you articulated it much better.

Also, Kovi didn't do anything special last night on that power play. Nothing special about it whatsoever. He just slipped behind the defense because all 4 guys collapsed on the opposite side of the ice. I just don't think it's a great idea to do that when the best sniper on the team is going to be left open.

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I'm with you man. I saw it all the up in the 400s. Textbook interference.
Same thing happened to Boyle during one of OV's PP goals

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We usually play deep and give the 2 point men room to skate, similar to what you would see during a power play. Usually we have all the lanes covered but it seems the Devils are able to overcome that by planting a man in front and getting a deflection goal.

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they're stars for a reason. they know how to slip the d/find space. too bad gaborik can't do that... not only that, but kovi's shot was one that lundqvist is supposed to take. and wasn't kovi's a pp goal? lundqvist is supposed to take the shooter. he had no option other than to shoot. maybe lundqvist needs to not suck with his glove.
That's not fair that shot was a laser beam into the top corner. That would find the net against any goalie.

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Frankly I believe the main reason why they scored is that we continue to flirt with danger by tossing the puck back and forth along the boards, rather than getting the puck out of the zone, especially when we have the chance.

On the Devils 2nd goal we were in possession 3 times before they tied the game with little time left in the period.

MDZ wins the puck and skate behind the net, passes to McD who opts to pass to
Gabby near the Blue line, Gabby tries to play rather than just deflect it.

3 clear possibilities to clear the puck, lobby it into the neutral zone. this system of holding on to the puck can/will bite us. Yesterday the Devils took advantage.

I think we are continuing to play this dangerous game.

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"Safe is Death" has arrived in NY, at least on the defensive end.

Play patty-cake with the puck around the boards instead of lobbing it out at the first opportunity? Brilliant! Even more so when the Devils' forecheck pressure is drooling at the prospect of giveaways in the Rangers' zone!!

And when the Devils retrieve the puck off Rangers turnovers, they're more than eager to shoot away into the slot and let the laws of physics take over for fortuitous bounces -- like their 2nd goal off a deflection.


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"Safe is Death" has arrived in NY, at least on the defensive end.

Play patty-cake with the puck around the boards instead of lobbing it out at the first opportunity? Brilliant! Even more so when the Devils' forecheck pressure is drooling at the prospect of giveaways in the Rangers' zone!!

And when the Devils retrieve the puck off Rangers turnovers, they're more than eager to shoot away into the slot and let the laws of physics take over for fortuitous bounces -- like their 2nd goal off a deflection.
I disagree its the careless blind clearing attempts that fail which are causing the problems. If you don't have a open area to clear the puck through then keep it and look to find an open player. The play on the 2nd Devils goal was the right play to make.Gaborik has to be able to get that puck over the blue line.That play was inexcusable.

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Frankly I believe the main reason why they scored is that we continue to flirt with danger by tossing the puck back and forth along the boards, rather than getting the puck out of the zone, especially when we have the chance.

On the Devils 2nd goal we were in possession 3 times before they tied the game with little time left in the period.

MDZ wins the puck and skate behind the net, passes to McD who opts to pass to
Gabby near the Blue line, Gabby tries to play rather than just deflect it.

3 clear possibilities to clear the puck, lobby it into the neutral zone. this system of holding on to the puck can/will bite us. Yesterday the Devils took advantage.

I think we are continuing to play this dangerous game.

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"Safe is Death" has arrived in NY, at least on the defensive end.

Play patty-cake with the puck around the boards instead of lobbing it out at the first opportunity? Brilliant! Even more so when the Devils' forecheck pressure is drooling at the prospect of giveaways in the Rangers' zone!!

And when the Devils retrieve the puck off Rangers turnovers, they're more than eager to shoot away into the slot and let the laws of physics take over for fortuitous bounces -- like their 2nd goal off a deflection.
Agree completely.

The Devils know what we do under pressure and they know that we never make adjustments. Dangerous combo.

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yeah, scrubs won't be able to make that shot 29 times out of 30. That was a super-star shot by Kovalchuk.

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yeah, scrubs won't be able to make that shot 29 times out of 30. That was a super-star shot by Kovalchuk.
Playoffs too. KV knows he has to make that a goal.

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Frankly I believe the main reason why they scored is that we continue to flirt with danger by tossing the puck back and forth along the boards, rather than getting the puck out of the zone, especially when we have the chance.

On the Devils 2nd goal we were in possession 3 times before they tied the game with little time left in the period.

MDZ wins the puck and skate behind the net, passes to McD who opts to pass to
Gabby near the Blue line, Gabby tries to play rather than just deflect it.

3 clear possibilities to clear the puck, lobby it into the neutral zone. this system of holding on to the puck can/will bite us. Yesterday the Devils took advantage.

I think we are continuing to play this dangerous game.

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Exactly my thoughts. That goal doesn't happen if we're just able to clear the zone. You can't try to make pretty plays out of your zone with a team that forechecks so well like the Devils.

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Hank is great but he isn't going to stop everything. On most nights the shots will have to be almost near perfect to beat him unless he's having an off night which is rare.

Also with the collapsing style it leaves the point more open and therefore more room for shooting. The other problem is the potential for the collapsing player(s) to accidentally screen the goalie.

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