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05-18-2012, 11:35 AM
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Depends on the issues. Montreal isn't the right city if the issue is partying.
About partying; it seems this board and lot of fans are hung over this concept, and its ruining our talent.

Kovalev was also Russian and was not the best work ethic guy, but he produced in Montreal, and that is what I'd like to see; and not fans hung over effort and hard work.

Sometimes player is talented enough to get the job done, and they perform better then their peers despite lack of effort.

I want to see ovenchkin, Rudulov, Kovalchuck type talent in Montreal; and all this guys have skills already so we have to put less emphasize on work ethic as this guys are made to perform, despite their partying ways...

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05-18-2012, 11:39 AM
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Too many crappy attitudes can ruin a team, one or two guys with bad attitude won't.

By the way, you don't need to put a title for every post you make, especially one as useless as "Hey there..."

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05-18-2012, 11:42 AM
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Eh, what? Your OP was talking about a change of drafting strategy and then you give me as an example a bunch of players that we did draft.

Slightly confused now.

And the majority of those were not shipped out for 'character' reasons in any case.
some of them were drafted for great character reasons like Hainsey, Higgins and were pegged as Captain after draft but some partying story came out and they were shipped out for next to nothing.

And, we drafted Chipchura knowing he'd be 3rd line Centre and he was becoming that; but we shipped him out again before he could contribute;

In all this instances, I see impatience and wthout end goal in mind; management wants top talent but they choose character when they draft and when character blossoms they change their mind again as talent is lacking, and player is shipped out before they can contribute with habs.

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05-18-2012, 12:14 PM
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In all this instances, I see impatience and wthout end goal in mind; management wants top talent but they choose character when they draft and when character blossoms they change their mind again as talent is lacking, and player is shipped out before they can contribute with habs.
This is a little bit academic as there is new management in place. Still not really sure what new approach is it that you are actually suggesting other than the use of advance hindsight when trading players.

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05-18-2012, 02:30 PM
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take myles bell in the 4th/5th if available.

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05-18-2012, 11:21 PM
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This is a little bit academic as there is new management in place. Still not really sure what new approach is it that you are actually suggesting other than the use of advance hindsight when trading players.
The thing is we simply need to trust Timmins and not sell off first rounders any time something goes wrong.
Our last management was way too emotional when making trades, and they traded away assets for whatever they can get their hands on.

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05-19-2012, 12:01 AM
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Radulov-Grigorenko-Semin

Radulov would be cheap to trade for. We could draft Grigorenko. We could sign Semin. 3 guys who could hit 80 pts each. And a potential 1st line out of this world elite playmaking center ! And a true sniper to replace Cammy.

Then, you have Pleks in a shutdown role with Giona and Leblanc.

Dump Bourque ! He's not talented enough to be a problem child.
Awesome, maybe between the three of them they could put in a full 80 games of effort.

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05-19-2012, 06:07 AM
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A good thing would be to focus on size. A thing I've noticed with the Devils over time is that they have big guys on all four lines and it gets tired for the other teams to counter that. It's exactly what happened with the Flyers has they went at the Devils hard but it became exausting for them after a while. This has been the Devils' motto during all these years, get guys with size and have them play in a tight structure. The guys doesn't even to be big hitters, just play hard. It's similar to how the Ducks were when they won the cup. Sure several of them were physical but against the Sens fo example Sens had trouble advancing because of a mix of Carlyle's system and the overall size of the Ducks' roster.

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A good thing would be to focus on size. A thing I've noticed with the Devils over time is that they have big guys on all four lines and it gets tired for the other teams to counter that. It's exactly what happened with the Flyers has they went at the Devils hard but it became exausting for them after a while. This has been the Devils' motto during all these years, get guys with size and have them play in a tight structure. The guys doesn't even to be big hitters, just play hard. It's similar to how the Ducks were when they won the cup. Sure several of them were physical but against the Sens fo example Sens had trouble advancing because of a mix of Carlyle's system and the overall size of the Ducks' roster.
Been there, done that.

See: Jason Ward, Éric Chouinard, Matt Higgins, Terry Ryan, Brad Brown, David Wilkie, Brent Bilodeau, Turner Stevenson.

The only good 1st round pick in the 90's: Saku Koivu, 5'10, character guy, plays much bigger than he is.

Draft the best player available. Regardless of position, size, ethnicity, language, etc. And character/attitude definitely counts when selecting BPA.

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05-19-2012, 07:40 AM
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If anything, this years playoff (well... every playoff, really) show that character and grit are some of the most important factors in winning. Talent is important, no doubt, but look at how some of the talented players get shutout when it matters most and you have your answer. It's all about putting it all on the line and sacrificing your body to win.

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If anything, this years playoff (well... every playoff, really) show that character and grit are some of the most important factors in winning. Talent is important, no doubt, but look at how some of the talented players get shutout when it matters most and you have your answer. It's all about putting it all on the line and sacrificing your body to win.
The best players to draft are skill guys with high character...Toews Parise Iginla etc

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Been there, done that.

See: Jason Ward, Éric Chouinard, Matt Higgins, Terry Ryan, Brad Brown, David Wilkie, Brent Bilodeau, Turner Stevenson.

The only good 1st round pick in the 90's: Saku Koivu, 5'10, character guy, plays much bigger than he is.

Draft the best player available. Regardless of position, size, ethnicity, language, etc. And character/attitude definitely counts when selecting BPA.
You're talking about guys that had no skills. Habs in the 80s especially, a key to their success was because they had size. In fact the turnaround happened when Savard got Bobby Smith at center and it changed the team makeup completly. We had a heavy defensive squad with Green, Robinson, Lidwig, etc...We had guys like Lemieux, Smith, Skrudland, McPhee, etc...as forwards.

You take a guy like Zubrus with the Devils. People laugh at that contract and he may not be as useful as he once was but having a guy like him just adds to your team to have one more guy like this that is hard to move, another big guy with some skills. You have more than one like this and it's hard to push back, it's hard to move for the other teams. Lou is not a stupid person, he got that before every other GM. He build the Devils based on the Habs and that's an aspect of the Habs that he took example of. What's hilarous is that the Habs forgot about it.

As for Saku, sure he was a small guy with tons of heart, but that's all we became when he was there, a bunch of small guys trying to climb a mountain. It's better to be the mountain.

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If anything, this years playoff (well... every playoff, really) show that character and grit are some of the most important factors in winning. Talent is important, no doubt, but look at how some of the talented players get shutout when it matters most and you have your answer. It's all about putting it all on the line and sacrificing your body to win.
Yet two greatly skilled lines will beat any of that.

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