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Holtby's 2012 run vs Varlamov's 2009 run

View Poll Results: Which playoff run was more impressive
Holtby clearly 11 22.00%
Holtby slightly 14 28.00%
Too close to call 6 12.00%
Varlamov clearly 4 8.00%
Varlamov slightly 15 30.00%
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05-18-2012, 10:28 AM
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Stop trying to be so dramatic.

Looking past SMo who had a broken jaw and got tossed around in that Flyers series, not a single caps fan can point to SMo Pothier nor Juice and blame any single game loss on them in the 09 playoffs, if any playoffs. SMo got hurt and wore down versus the pens but other than that, they all did fine and you will never admit it because you have already taken your stance that they were the problem.

You overlook their successes because as their careers have wound down, they are being pushed out of the NHL Yet it happens to most all players eventually.

Carlson and Alzner did fine this playoffs but they weren't perfect


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05-18-2012, 10:34 AM
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Stop trying to be so dramatic.

Looking past SMo who had a broken jaw and got tossed around in that Flyers series, not a single caps fan can point to SMo Pothier nor Juice and blame any single game loss on them in the 09 playoffs. SMo got hurt and wore down versus the pens but other than that, they all did fine and you will never admit it because you have already taken your stance that they were the problem.

You overlook their successes because as their careers have wound down, they are being pushed out of the NHL Yet it happens to most all players eventually.

Carlson and Alzner did fine this playoffs but a minus is a minus.

LOL @ defenseman "winding down" at age 29. Boy ShaMo must have took a SERIOUS nosedive to not make the PANTHERS. Pothier got a whole TWENTY GAMES in the NHL after we got rid of him before he was banished to Europe. Talk about studmuffins!

We get it, dude. Hunter is awesome. This team was magical. Holtby is the next Roy. Bruce stinks, Varlamov is nothing.

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05-18-2012, 10:43 AM
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LOL @ defenseman "winding down" at age 29. Boy ShaMo must have took a SERIOUS nosedive to not make the PANTHERS. Pothier got a whole TWENTY GAMES in the NHL after we got rid of him before he was banished to Europe. Talk about studmuffins!

We get it, dude. Hunter is awesome. This team was magical. Holtby is the next Roy. Bruce stinks, Varlamov is nothing.


Man I hope someone else gets that.

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Yes, because Hunter's "system" was ****ing retarded.

He faced a million more shots from the point because we allowed them essentially uncontested as we had a wall of five players not moving beyond the circles. Must be easy to be a goalie knowing you have five friendly sticks around you looking to clear a rebound.
Hunter's defensive system? The one that kept the Caps in every game and garnered nearly universal praise in the hockey world? That system?

I'm hardly a Hunter fan (as a coach) because of the team's failures on offense, but you look pretty dumb knocking his defensive system. It worked. Period.

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Hbut you look pretty dumb knocking his defensive system. It worked. Period.
It did?

We must be a REALLY ****** fanbase then because I haven't seen a GDT in about a week now.

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Yes, because Hunter's "system" was ****ing retarded.

He faced a million more shots from the point because we allowed them essentially uncontested as we had a wall of five players not moving beyond the circles. Must be easy to be a goalie knowing you have five friendly sticks around you looking to clear a rebound.
So... Holtby played behind a retarded system, faced more shots, and the team in front of him never scored more than 3 goals... yet Varly was clearly better.

Oh.

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So... Holtby played behind a retarded system, faced more shots, and the team in front of him never scored more than 3 goals... yet Varly was clearly better.

Oh.
This whole conversation is going to go nowhere fast with HunterHomers and people named after one of the choices in said poll.


So I'll just echo my statements to Randy earlier.

Hunter is awesome. This team was magical. Holtby is the next Roy. Bruce stinks, Varlamov is nothing.

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05-18-2012, 01:00 PM
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This whole conversation is going to go nowhere fast with HunterHomers and people named after one of the choices in said poll.


So I'll just echo my statements to Randy earlier.

Hunter is awesome. This team was magical. Holtby is the next Roy. Bruce stinks, Varlamov is nothing.
Am I Randy? When did i say anything about Hunter?

Those sarcastic statements don't relate to what i said at all...

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Am I Randy? When did i say anything about Hunter?

Those sarcastic statements don't relate to what i said at all...
Your comment completely ignored the fact that whenever there was a rebound, there were all 5 Caps buzzing around to slap the puck out of the zone uncontrollably. Varlamov had complete **** defense in front of him with next to no help. I don't see how the offense being terrible has anything to do with the play in our own goaltender's end. If anything, it works against Holtby because...there was zero puck possesion in the offensive end because every player had to be back in the defensive zone, creating a wall of bodies, not challenging the shooters at the point and just letting them tee off a bunch of low percentage shots that Holtby's job was essentially to see.

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This whole conversation is going to go nowhere fast with HunterHomers and people named after one of the choices in said poll.


So I'll just echo my statements to Randy earlier.

Hunter is awesome. This team was magical. Holtby is the next Roy. Bruce stinks, Varlamov is nothing.
hardy haar harr.

Excessive and repeated exaggerations actually detract from your posts, not add to them. I feel like you need to hear that.

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Stop trying to be so dramatic.

Looking past SMo who had a broken jaw and got tossed around in that Flyers series, not a single caps fan can point to SMo Pothier nor Juice and blame any single game loss on them in the 09 playoffs, if any playoffs. SMo got hurt and wore down versus the pens but other than that, they all did fine and you will never admit it because you have already taken your stance that they were the problem.

You overlook their successes because as their careers have wound down, they are being pushed out of the NHL Yet it happens to most all players eventually.

Carlson and Alzner did fine this playoffs but they weren't perfect
ShaMo had the worst awareness in front of his own net of any defenseman I've ever seen, he never kept his skates point in the right direction and put too many in the back of our own net, including a huge one in overtime in the Pens series.

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I thought SMo was a fine DDman during our dark years. At least he hit. I never noticed that glaring bad defensive awareness and I assume George didnt either seeing how long he was here. Like most all players, fans get tired and we move on. Heck I led the parade of nagging about him after Philly IIRC. I think DDmen mature much earlier than their offensive counterparts. SMo as much as anyone helped groom Green. For a while there, Green sucked without Mo. I wonder how they would both do now back together in some odd twist of fate.

We talk about SMo or Pothier's games dropping off, what's Green's excuse?

Certainly Green has had his struggles since his Norris run. Not comparing them directly, but injuries can certainly be a part of a players demise. SMo Green and Pothier all had their fair share of injuries. Look at Sarge, stardom and nasty to benched for a month. Worst minus in our playoffs. You'd think he would thrive in our super shell. Nope.

What was SMo's injury versus Pitt, was it his groin by chance?


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Holtby. He looked flawless. I remember how horrible Varlamov's glove hand was that post season. Obviously Holtby had way more defense but he looked so good technically compared to an extremely raw Varlamov in 09.

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Hard to compare those two runs with the systems being so different. Sort of an apples and oranges/hindsight 20-20 type debate whatever side one is on.

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Holtby. He looked flawless. I remember how horrible Varlamov's glove hand was that post season. Obviously Holtby had way more defense but he looked so good technically compared to an extremely raw Varlamov in 09.
You might want to double check the definition of flawless. If you thought Holtby was flawless, how would you describe Quick's play so far?

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Man I hope someone else gets that.
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Man I hope someone else gets that.

You best simma.

I give Varly the edge. He was god like. Holtby was great, too. He's the #1 going forward.

Didn't Varly just win another championship for Russia a few weeks ago? I think he was in goal for a KHL champ and now the WC gold. That's two.

What have Holtby, Neuvy and Vokoun won? Or even Olie the Goalie? But I must remember in Mickey Mouse Land it is not about winning. It's about being everyone's friend. And rainbows, marshmellows and unicorns.

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You best simma.

I give Varly the edge. He was god like. Holtby was great, too. He's the #1 going forward.

Didn't Varly just win another championship for Russia a few weeks ago? I think he was in goal for a KHL champ and now the WC gold. That's two.

What have Holtby, Neuvy and Vokoun won? Or even Olie the Goalie? But I must remember in Mickey Mouse Land it is not about winning. It's about being everyone's friend. And rainbows, marshmellows and unicorns.
Varley wasn't KHL champ. His team lost in playoffs final.

Vokoun has won 2 WC and Bronze at the 2006 Olympics.

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Varley wasn't KHL champ. His team lost in playoffs final.

Vokoun has won 2 WC and Bronze at the 2006 Olympics.

Fair enough. Thanks.

I think Varly has a WC gold, maybe a WC silver?, and two WJC silvers. Did he ever make run w/ the Hershey Bears?

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Fair enough. Thanks.

I think Varly has a WC gold, maybe a WC silver?, and two WJC silvers. Did he ever make run w/ the Hershey Bears?
Nope. He sure is a winner. Loves those World Championships just like Ovie and Sasha.

Winners.

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Nope. He sure is a winner. Loves those World Championships just like Ovie and Sasha.

Winners.
I agree. I mean, he got called up to the NHL and played in those playoffs instead of the AHL ones. Seriously what a loser.

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But Neuvirth is clearly a winner with his two Calder Cups, right?

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But Neuvirth is clearly a winner with his two Calder Cups, right?
Totally, just like Chris Bourque.

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But Neuvirth is clearly a winner with his two Calder Cups, right?

It's not Neuvy's Calder Cups that count. It's his winning smile!

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