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07-07-2016, 08:55 AM
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A look back, and the TB Rebuild.

I've been putting a post together that looks at teams rebuilds. I was trying to decide if TB ever really planned to play poorly in 2008/2009 and as far as I can tell they never really planned a rebuild, they just played poorly. Anyway here is my little blurb. Feedback or detail changes would be great.



Tampa Bay won the Stanly Cup in 2004, during a period of time they were competitive from 2003-2007. Tampa Bay began to struggle by missing 5 out of 6 playoffs from 2008-2013. In 2008 Lecavalier, Richards and M. St. Louis played well, but they got no support at all from other players, they played horribly and at that trade deadline Prospal and Richards were traded out of town for picks and prospects. It is hard to call this an organizational "rebuild", as these trades were meant to alter chemistry to improve the team. No mention of an organizational direction was mentioned. TB has made the playoffs 2014-Present and has been very competitive during this time.


Draft History
2002: No first pick
2003: No first pick
2004: Rogers(#30)
2005: Mihalik(#30)
2006: Helenius(#15)
2007: Killorn(#77)
2008: Stamkos(#1)
2009: Hedman(#2)
2010: Connolly(#6); Gudas(#66)
2011: Namestnikov(#27); Kucherov(#58); Nesterov(#148); Palat(#208)
2012: Koekkoek(#10); Vasilevsky(#19); Paquette(#101)
2013: Drouin(#3)
2014: DeAngelo(#19)
2015: No first pick
2016: Howden(#27)

Rebuild Type:Time
Asset Accumulation During Poor Performance: 6 Years (2008-2013)


Since TB started seriously competing in 2014, the total rebuild time is about 6 years. Part of the reason TB struggled in the first place was horrid drafting from 2002-2006. This rebuild seems shorter than normal due to 2 Star talents (Stamkos/Hedman) drafted early in the process. Solid later round Drafting in 2010-2012 also provided another star Kucherov, as well as many support players.

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I've been putting a post together that looks at teams rebuilds. I was trying to decide if TB ever really planned to play poorly in 2008/2009 and as far as I can tell they never really planned a rebuild, they just played poorly. Anyway here is my little blurb. Feedback or detail changes would be great.



Tampa Bay won the Stanly Cup in 2004, during a period of time they were competitive from 2003-2007. Tampa Bay began to struggle by missing 5 out of 6 playoffs from 2008-2013. In 2008 Lecavalier, Richards and M. St. Louis played well, but they got no support at all from other players, they played horribly and at that trade deadline Prospal and Richards were traded out of town for picks and prospects. It is hard to call this an organizational "rebuild", as these trades were meant to alter chemistry to improve the team. No mention of an organizational direction was mentioned. TB has made the playoffs 2014-Present and has been very competitive during this time.


Draft History
2002: No first pick
2003: No first pick
2004: Rogers(#30)
2005: Mihalik(#30)
2006: Helenius(#15)
2007: Killorn(#77)
2008: Stamkos(#1)
2009: Hedman(#2)
2010: Connolly(#6); Gudas(#66)
2011: Namestnikov(#27); Kucherov(#58); Nesterov(#148); Palat(#208)
2012: Koekkoek(#10); Vasilevsky(#19); Paquette(#101)
2013: Drouin(#3)
2014: DeAngelo(#19)
2015: No first pick
2016: Howden(#27)

Rebuild Type:Time
Asset Accumulation During Poor Performance: 6 Years (2008-2013)


Since TB started seriously competing in 2014, the total rebuild time is about 6 years. Part of the reason TB struggled in the first place was horrid drafting from 2002-2006. This rebuild seems shorter than normal due to 2 Star talents (Stamkos/Hedman) drafted early in the process. Solid later round Drafting in 2010-2012 also provided another star Kucherov, as well as many support players.
Rebuild time was only actually from 2010 when Yzerman came in. Before that we had the cowboys named Oren Koules and Len Barrie that were constantly fighting each other on which direction the team should go. I don't count that as the beginning of the rebuild because that's not what the owners and GM were trying to do. They were trying their damned best to make the team competitive, but they were that incompetent. When Vinik finally bought the team in 2010 and brought Yzerman in that summer is when the rebuild officially began.

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Yeah people that point to us tanking for Stamkos and Hedman are out to lunch. We tried to compete thinking Marty and Vinny were enough and we flat out sucked thanks to poor defense and goaltending. As you stated we came out empty in drafts for a long stretch and that came back to haunt us. There was no conscious rebuild effort as we didn't have competent enough ownership and front office to call for one until Yzerman showed up, and he was able to squeeze out a surprising last run with the old core in 2011 before the youth movement was really on.

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I've been putting a post together that looks at teams rebuilds. I was trying to decide if TB ever really planned to play poorly in 2008/2009 and as far as I can tell they never really planned a rebuild, they just played poorly. Anyway here is my little blurb. Feedback or detail changes would be great.



Tampa Bay won the Stanly Cup in 2004, during a period of time they were competitive from 2003-2007. Tampa Bay began to struggle by missing 5 out of 6 playoffs from 2008-2013. In 2008 Lecavalier, Richards and M. St. Louis played well, but they got no support at all from other players, they played horribly and at that trade deadline Prospal and Richards were traded out of town for picks and prospects. It is hard to call this an organizational "rebuild", as these trades were meant to alter chemistry to improve the team. No mention of an organizational direction was mentioned. TB has made the playoffs 2014-Present and has been very competitive during this time.


Draft History
2002: No first pick
2003: No first pick
2004: Rogers(#30)
2005: Mihalik(#30)
2006: Helenius(#15)
2007: Killorn(#77)
2008: Stamkos(#1)
2009: Hedman(#2)
2010: Connolly(#6); Gudas(#66)
2011: Namestnikov(#27); Kucherov(#58); Nesterov(#148); Palat(#208)
2012: Koekkoek(#10); Vasilevsky(#19); Paquette(#101)
2013: Drouin(#3)
2014: DeAngelo(#19)
2015: No first pick
2016: Howden(#27)

Rebuild Type:Time
Asset Accumulation During Poor Performance: 6 Years (2008-2013)


Since TB started seriously competing in 2014, the total rebuild time is about 6 years. Part of the reason TB struggled in the first place was horrid drafting from 2002-2006. This rebuild seems shorter than normal due to 2 Star talents (Stamkos/Hedman) drafted early in the process. Solid later round Drafting in 2010-2012 also provided another star Kucherov, as well as many support players.
Oh god, our ****** draft history goes MUCH longer than that.

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We're still rebuilding. No cup.

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Yeah people that point to us tanking for Stamkos and Hedman are out to lunch. We tried to compete thinking Marty and Vinny were enough and we flat out sucked thanks to poor defense and goaltending. As you stated we came out empty in drafts for a long stretch and that came back to haunt us. There was no conscious rebuild effort as we didn't have competent enough ownership and front office to call for one until Yzerman showed up, and he was able to squeeze out a surprising last run with the old core in 2011 before the youth movement was really on.
BTW I have been doing a few of these.

I mark the rebuild by 2 definitions:

Asset Accumulation During Poor Performance: 6 Years (2008-2013)
I used this terminology on purpose. As far as I can tell, TB never tanked, and I never claimed as much. Simply that "poor performance" has allowed you guys to get draft picks.

Many other teams have used the Scorched Earth Rebuild as i term it or "Tank" rebuild.
I do not think TB did that ever.

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Sorry, didn't mean to imply you did. You did your homework. I was just agreeing with it and addressing the general consensus on the main boards. I'll have to think about any details to add.

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I've been putting a post together that looks at teams rebuilds. I was trying to decide if TB ever really planned to play poorly in 2008/2009 and as far as I can tell they never really planned a rebuild, they just played poorly. Anyway here is my little blurb. Feedback or detail changes would be great.



Tampa Bay won the Stanly Cup in 2004, during a period of time they were competitive from 2003-2007. Tampa Bay began to struggle by missing 5 out of 6 playoffs from 2008-2013. In 2008 Lecavalier, Richards and M. St. Louis played well, but they got no support at all from other players, they played horribly and at that trade deadline Prospal and Richards were traded out of town for picks and prospects. It is hard to call this an organizational "rebuild", as these trades were meant to alter chemistry to improve the team. No mention of an organizational direction was mentioned. TB has made the playoffs 2014-Present and has been very competitive during this time.


Draft History
2002: No first pick
2003: No first pick
2004: Rogers(#30)
2005: Mihalik(#30)
2006: Helenius(#15)
2007: Killorn(#77)
2008: Stamkos(#1)
2009: Hedman(#2)
2010: Connolly(#6); Gudas(#66)
2011: Namestnikov(#27); Kucherov(#58); Nesterov(#148); Palat(#208)
2012: Koekkoek(#10); Vasilevsky(#19); Paquette(#101)
2013: Drouin(#3)
2014: DeAngelo(#19)
2015: No first pick
2016: Howden(#27)

Rebuild Type:Time
Asset Accumulation During Poor Performance: 6 Years (2008-2013)


Since TB started seriously competing in 2014, the total rebuild time is about 6 years. Part of the reason TB struggled in the first place was horrid drafting from 2002-2006. This rebuild seems shorter than normal due to 2 Star talents (Stamkos/Hedman) drafted early in the process. Solid later round Drafting in 2010-2012 also provided another star Kucherov, as well as many support players.
Oh god, our ****** draft history goes MUCH longer than that.
Ah the stark contrast of the Feaster Era versus the Yzerman Era

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Rick Dudley didn't do a whole heck of a lot better. Svitov and Alexeev came in some really bad drafts but the fact we didn't hit on anyone make the fact we won a Stanley Cup in 2004 just that much more remarkable. Where he screwed up in the draft he made up for in trades i.e Boyle, Khabibulin, Sarich and Modin.

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We're still rebuilding. No cup.
Your schtick is awful.

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Rick Dudley didn't do a whole heck of a lot better.
Who?



Uncle Feaster did well (obviously) in acquiring talent via trade, just not drafting talent. Truth be told, he was a 1,000x better as a Capologist anyway after the 2005 CBA. Dudley? Gotta catch 'em all

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Feaster is my least favorite GM, every time I hear the name I cringe.

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He was the right GM for that 2004 run (Fedotenko and Sydor, but no crazy Pokemon trades like Dudley would've kept doing, including possibly Vinny), and the wrong GM to keep it going afterwards, though he did get totally screwed by the salary cap and the contracts advancing a year.

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Feaster is my least favorite GM, every time I hear the name I cringe.
The salary cap was so low it crushed feasted and yes his drafting could the replace the talent that left

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