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05-19-2012, 06:21 PM
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Chelios is ugly though.
So he's a beast

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05-19-2012, 06:32 PM
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True. One of the very worst. I don't see how Roy doesn't get the trophy though. But then, if we go value for value, Ribeiro for Niinimaa is awful. Kovalenko, Rucinski and Thibault didn't do a whole lot. Reechi had "some" good seasons with us while the others were obviously much much better. There are cases to make for everyone of them. Problem is that we've rarely fleeced the other teams as much. Like the Courtnall for Kordic trade.
Gorges and Patches, the deals that brought us Lafleur, Kovalev, Kordic trade that you've mentioned are just the ones of the top of my head without much thinking.

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05-19-2012, 06:35 PM
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I would trade this 3rd overall for McDonagh anytime...
I'm glad that the Canadiens didn't hire you to be the new GM. Ryan had a very nice year, but I don't think they he would have done nearly as well had he been playing with the Canadiens.

BTW, the Patrick Roy/ Mike Keane (don't forget about him) trade, and it isn't even close.

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05-19-2012, 06:40 PM
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Gorges and Patches, the deals that brought us Lafleur, Kovalev, Kordic trade that you've mentioned are just the ones of the top of my head without much thinking.
Trade that we were fleeced, in no way am I including picks that ended up being good or great players for them. So if I don't that for our team, I won't do it for the others. Gorges will always be a valuable player for us. But not spectacular the way our players we've send away were. Now Lafleur is one. Kovalev? Again we are talking about 4 years when people were tired of him after year 2 and we're ecstatic to see him leave. Courtnall? Yes, that's the closest of trades with player for player we know about. Not picks.

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05-19-2012, 06:41 PM
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Gorges and Patches, the deals that brought us Lafleur, Kovalev, Kordic trade that you've mentioned are just the ones of the top of my head without much thinking.
We have one of the all time fleeces in history Montreal trades for Ken Dryden from Boston woo hahaha

http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/20...uins-of-dryden

We need another Pollock.

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05-19-2012, 06:45 PM
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32 points for McDonagh compared to Subban's 36 is pretty close in my books.
Watch the two guys play. Subban's offensive skill is way above Mcdonaugh's. Subban creates scoring chances every shift, has great hands, protects the puck very well, has a big shot, is creative, something Mcdonaugh is not.

I expect Subban to outscore Mcdonaugh yearly.

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05-19-2012, 07:35 PM
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Watch the two guys play. Subban's offensive skill is way above Mcdonaugh's. Subban creates scoring chances every shift, has great hands, protects the puck very well, has a big shot, is creative, something Mcdonaugh is not.

I expect Subban to outscore Mcdonaugh yearly.
And every year Subban has a highlight reel hit on some poor schmuck.

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05-19-2012, 08:02 PM
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As mentioned by many, the Roy trade as he was the backbone of both Cups the team won with him here. Add the loss of a strong two way player and captain in Keane and it's not close.

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05-19-2012, 08:16 PM
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Stop crying about McDonagh. It's payback for getting Kovalev for Balej. **** like this happens all the time.

And McDonagh is awesome, but he's not better than Subban. Defensively, sure, but offensively, it's not really close.
Is he that much better defensively than Subban?

I think he's a bit more polished right now is all.

McD is no slouch offensively either though.

I tend to agree, if the Habs had gone a different direction they may very well have end up hurting themselves even more. The lesser of two evils, I suppose. Though I will to the end of days wonder why it is that such a highly touted prospect would be sent in a Gomez trade when it was seemingly common knowledge around the league that at the absolute best Gomez was a wildly overpaid 2nd line center.

Knowing what we know now it's a lot different, but even then how does Gomez' trade value get determined by the Habs that a recent 1st round pick should be included in the deal, and if he is how is there not something of good value prospect wise coming back in the deal?

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05-19-2012, 08:35 PM
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They are not the same type of D. But if I had to choose between them two to play on my team, I'd pick McDonagh.

This trade hurts big time but not as much as the Roy trade. The Roy trade is the kind of Babe Ruth Curse type of trade...
Agreed. I'd take McD in a heartbeat over Subban any day of the week. People are overvaluing PK but that happens in Montreal to anyone. Just look at Eller.

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Agreed. I'd take McD in a heartbeat over Subban any day of the week. People are overvaluing PK but that happens in Montreal to anyone. Just look at Eller.
Eller is our future Jared Staal

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People underestimating McDonaugh have no idea of all the little things that a good d-man does, that often go unnoticed, but still are really valuable to a team. McDonagh does all of that already. Again, though I have NO IDEA how the debate ends up to be Subban vs McDonagh. Who cares who's better!!!! Aren't we allowed to have more than 1 great young d-man?

Hey, come to think of it, we already have Subban. Let's trade Beaulieu, Tinordi, Ellis and Bennett for Jason Allison and Michael Nylander. I mean, come on....Some of you makes no sense.

I tell you right now, everyboyd right now likes Beaulieu and we're extremely proud to have him. But if our great management past or present ends up trading Beaulieu, we would immediately see that we didn't need Beaulieu 'cause we had Subban after all.....which makes no sense.

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05-19-2012, 09:51 PM
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People underestimating McDonaugh have no idea of all the little things that a good d-man does, that often go unnoticed, but still are really valuable to a team. McDonagh does all of that already. Again, though I have NO IDEA how the debate ends up to be Subban vs McDonagh. Who cares who's better!!!! Aren't we allowed to have more than 1 great young d-man?

Hey, come to think of it, we already have Subban. Let's trade Beaulieu, Tinordi, Ellis and Bennett for Jason Allison and Michael Nylander. I mean, come on....Some of you makes no sense.

I tell you right now, everyboyd right now likes Beaulieu and we're extremely proud to have him. But if our great management past or present ends up trading Beaulieu, we would immediately see that we didn't need Beaulieu 'cause we had Subban after all.....which makes no sense.
+ Without the trade of our 1st pick for tanguay, we could have had Carlson.

I would take PK, McDo and Carlson on my Habs D, anyday.

Add O'Byrne, Markov or Streit and Gorges, and you have a pretty solid d-corp.


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05-19-2012, 09:55 PM
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People underestimating McDonaugh have no idea of all the little things that a good d-man does, that often go unnoticed, but still are really valuable to a team. McDonagh does all of that already. Again, though I have NO IDEA how the debate ends up to be Subban vs McDonagh. Who cares who's better!!!! Aren't we allowed to have more than 1 great young d-man?

Hey, come to think of it, we already have Subban. Let's trade Beaulieu, Tinordi, Ellis and Bennett for Jason Allison and Michael Nylander. I mean, come on....Some of you makes no sense.

I tell you right now, everyboyd right now likes Beaulieu and we're extremely proud to have him. But if our great management past or present ends up trading Beaulieu, we would immediately see that we didn't need Beaulieu 'cause we had Subban after all.....which makes no sense.
Imagine if we resigned Streit and kept McDonagh. We would have one of the deepest defense cores around.

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05-19-2012, 10:28 PM
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Imagine if we resigned Streit and kept McDonagh. We would have one of the deepest defense cores around.
I know that some in here wanted him to re-signed in December, where the rumor said that Streit would have signed with us at a really low price. Thing is, I will have, this time, a hard time faulting the GM for Streit. When your coach is just totally unable to give him the confidence he needs so he'd play D, when you are a GM, you can't make your coach decide otherwise. So Streit might not have deserved to be re-signed if he was to be a 4th line/PP specialist. That one is all on the coach who had to give him some confidence. So the management takes the blame. But the management, in this case, is more the coach than anything else.

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05-19-2012, 10:37 PM
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People seem to forget that Higgins was also in the trade for Gomez. Say what you want about Higgins but when he was on the ice, he plays his heart out. He would be a perfect 3rd liner for us and could also be a top 6 forward when there are injuries.

Roy trade was the worst tho.

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05-19-2012, 10:50 PM
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Stop crying about McDonagh. It's payback for getting Kovalev for Balej. **** like this happens all the time.

And McDonagh is awesome, but he's not better than Subban. Defensively, sure, but offensively, it's not really close.
I love Subban but mcdonagh is better than him.

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05-19-2012, 10:57 PM
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Rofl... until he meets the Leafs and he gets destroyed by Phaneuf leading to the Leafs winning the cup...
ROFL AT YOU...I moved to Calgary just after Dion got traded from here and maybe 2 out of 10 people were a fan. He was a ****** in the dressing room with absolutely no leadership skills who smokes all day and night. Subban is already twice the dman as Phaneuf defensively and he still has a lot of growing to do on the defensive end. Nice one though troll..good luck with the worst captain in the NHL

Roy is the worst trade ever and one of the worst in NHL history to be honest. I see a lot of people whining abour McD and Subby and comparing them. Thing is McD is better as of right now but PK as a waaay higher ceiling than McD. Just my opinion I can see both side of the argument respectively.

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05-19-2012, 11:00 PM
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Which trade hurts most?

Chelios and a 2nd rounder for Savard. That's the worst Habs trade in my lifetime.
Even worse when you consider they could have drafted Savard with the pick they wasted on Wickenheiser. Probably would be at 27 Cups by now.


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Roy asked for a trade because of the way he was treated. Chelios slept with Ronald Corey's wife and had to go.

The Gomez trade was an uncalled blunder that came out of nowhere. It is unforgivable.

Subban vs McDonagh or Subban vs Karlsson are those cases where some habs fans will still say Subban, but the rest of the league wouldn't have time to blink before taking the guy who's actually better.

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05-20-2012, 06:17 AM
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I still can't believe we traded Chelios. And getting Denis Savard for him when even as mere fans we knew his best years were behind him, he was half producing what he used to do in Chicago. It was the same type of out-of-touch old GM move that lead to Gainey trading McDonaugh. If there's any moment that you can pinpoint that your GM is getting senile that is it.

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05-20-2012, 06:26 AM
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Patrick Roy trade and its not even close.

We have our own Mcdonaugh in Gorges, but the gomez return is what makes that trade horrible.
Always known Gorges was insanely overrated, but yeah new heights right here.

As for the thread, it has to be Roy by quite a large margin.

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Stop crying about McDonagh. It's payback for getting Kovalev for Balej. **** like this happens all the time.
You think rangers fan are crying over this ? Kovalev was a problem for them and didn't work out and was set to become UFA. Gainey ddn't fleece Sather there. Not even going to go into the rumor behind Gainey offering a choice of 3 prospects with PLekanec amongst them.

If that's Karma, then damn.. we're getting re-paid in full (more like 20 times in full).


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I'm watching today's Rangers/Devils game and Ryan McDonagh is quickly turning into a stud defenceman. He's a future all star for sure! So out of all the players the Habs traded away in the past 20 years, which one stings the most?

John Leclair and Eric Desjardins for Mark Recchi?
Patrick Roy and Mike Keane for Thibeault, Kovalenko and Rucinski?
Mike Ribeiro for Ninnimaa (sp?)?
Ryan McDonagh and Chris Higgins for Scott Gomez?
Roy for sure. The difference between him and the other guys traded is that the guy could win cups by himself.

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05-20-2012, 09:00 AM
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We wouldn't have the 3rd overall, had McDonagh been on the team. You win some, you loose some.
Ok, so instead of 3rd.. 6th.. 7th??

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I'm watching today's Rangers/Devils game and Ryan McDonagh is quickly turning into a stud defenceman. He's a future all star for sure! So out of all the players the Habs traded away in the past 20 years, which one stings the most?

John Leclair and Eric Desjardins for Mark Recchi?
Patrick Roy and Mike Keane for Thibeault, Kovalenko and Rucinski?
Mike Ribeiro for Ninnimaa (sp?)?
Ryan McDonagh and Chris Higgins for Scott Gomez?
This question depends on taste. It's like asking someone how do you wanna die? Falling from the Empire State building or being cut to pieces by a chain saw?

Those were all terrible, miserable trades. Right now May 20, 2012, I would say the Gomez because I can still feel the pain in my backside. But they were all dumb trades.

What is interesting is that 2 of the 4 trades you thought of putting up were made by the same GM. And everyone continues to claim that Houle was the worst GM in Habs history. We night want to revise that statement.


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