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12-18-2004, 12:07 PM
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List of overpaid players. Theo is on the list.

Interesting. But they could have use Kolzig instead of Theo, for exemple IMO.

http://tsf.waymoresports.thestar.com...cgi?salaries04

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Theo is over payed. I agree that his sallary went up too high after one good season....

For his lack of consistency, id say Theo is worth somewhere around 3 - 3.5 mill.

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Theo is over payed. I agree that his sallary went up too high after one good season....

For his lack of consistency, id say Theo is worth somewhere around 3 - 3.5 mill.
Damn. i agree that he's overpaid but he still worth more than 4M$.

You have goalies like Lalime or Osgood for 3-3.5

In fact, you got nothing for 3-3.5

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12-18-2004, 12:13 PM
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Damn. i agree that he's overpaid but he still worth more than 4M$.

You have goalies like Lalime or Osgood for 3-3.5

In fact, you got nothing for 3-3.5
Ya, but they are also over payed, but yes if compared to the likes of Osgood or Lalime (although he isnt all that bad imo).....hes a 4 mill goalie.....

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Damn. i agree that he's overpaid but he still worth more than 4M$.

You have goalies like Lalime or Osgood for 3-3.5

In fact, you got nothing for 3-3.5
Lalime is just as good as Theo. I know people will disagree again, but hey, it's just one man's opinion.

Btw, Theo IS overpaid. Should have gotten $4.5 max. But hey, we had Andre "dish out the big overpaid contracts" Savard on board. Brisebois, Rivet, Dykhuis, Traverse, Dackell. All other examples of wasting money on contracts just too large for what those players are worth.

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Lalime is just as good as Theo. I know people will disagree again, but hey, it's just one man's opinion.

Btw, Theo IS overpaid. Should have gotten $4.5 max. But hey, we had Andre "dish out the big overpaid contracts" Savard on board. Brisebois, Rivet, Dykhuis, Traverse, Dackell. All other examples of wasting money on contracts just too large for what those players are worth.
Totally agree...except for the Lalime part

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if only they knew it was 6 million instead of 5.5... BTW, Lalime, Denis Biron, Giguere are all on the same level as Theodore. Denis could potentially have a break-out season in term of stats. They're already really good but Denis and Giguere both have higher ceiling imo than Theo imo.

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if only they knew it was 6 million instead of 5.5... BTW, Lalime, Denis Biron, Giguere are all on the same level as Theodore. Denis could potentially have a break-out season in term of stats. They're already really good but Denis and Giguere both have higher ceiling imo than Theo imo.
I think that theo is a step better then all of those gaolies. The closest one behing is Giguere who remindes me a lot of theodore

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if only they knew it was 6 million instead of 5.5... BTW, Lalime, Denis Biron, Giguere are all on the same level as Theodore. Denis could potentially have a break-out season in term of stats. They're already really good but Denis and Giguere both have higher ceiling imo than Theo imo.
Um, what? A better ceiling? Dude, we've seen Theo's ceiling, he wins awards when he plays at his ceiling. He's the best freaking player in the league when he plays at his ceiling.

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I think that theo is a step better then all of those gaolies. The closest one behing is Giguere who remindes me a lot of theodore
What? How come? Their game is so different! Giguere is a lot bigger and covers the angle in a much more effective manner.

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Um, what? A better ceiling? Dude, we've seen Theo's ceiling, he wins awards when he plays at his ceiling. He's the best freaking player in the league when he plays at his ceiling.
He won't win that trophy once again... He won't even come close.

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It's so easy to dismiss Theo's Hart and Veniza trophy... but the fact is, it DOES influence a lot a player's value, whatever we like it or not.

I think Theo is inconsistant, but when he's in his game, he can be as good as the best goalies in the NHL.

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He won't win that trophy once again... He won't even come close.
That's your opinion buddy...

But in fact, you don't know anything about it

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if only they knew it was 6 million instead of 5.5... BTW, Lalime, Denis Biron, Giguere are all on the same level as Theodore. Denis could potentially have a break-out season in term of stats. They're already really good but Denis and Giguere both have higher ceiling imo than Theo imo.
Give me a break!

Theodore is better than Denis, Biron, Lalime and all the names you mentionned. That's not just an opinion that's a fact.

The grass is always greener elsewhere right?

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What? How come? Their game is so different! Giguere is a lot bigger and covers the angle in a much more effective manner.
The fact that he isn't consistent like Theodore. even his play reminds me of Theo I think that their careers are gonna resemble each other

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He won't win that trophy once again... He won't even come close.
You can't be so sure about that.

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It's so easy to dismiss Theo's Hart and Veniza trophy... but the fact is, it DOES influence a lot a player's value, whatever we like it or not.

I think Theo is inconsistant, but when he's in his game, he can be as good as the best goalies in the NHL.
Well Giguere has a Conn Smythe, it's better than a Hart and Vezina imo.

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I would have to agree that Theo is overpaid as are a great many of the goaltenders in the league. One of them will have a hot (lucky) streak which will coincide with a run for the playoffs or a run for the Stanley Cup.

Suddenly management becomes afraid that without this player they are doomed and the ink starts to flow on the big contracts.

Theo should be in the top end of the range of all goaltenders at about $3 million per year.

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Well Giguere has a Conn Smythe, it's better than a Hart and Vezina imo.

Really? All that displays is you're the best player out of a Stanley Cup winning team and a Stanley Cup losing team, while a Vezina tells about how you're the best goaltender over the course of an ENTIRE season, and Hart displays that you are the best player not only on your team, but out of 29 other teams too. I mean, I'm not saying the Conn Smythe is a garbage award, I just think it's not as hard to obtain as a Hart.

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Well Giguere has a Conn Smythe, it's better than a Hart and Vezina imo.
That makes no sense

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Why is anyone debating this at all? It's a Leafs publication.

Theo is overpaid along with 500 hundred other players.

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Really? All that displays is you're the best player out of a Stanley Cup winning team and a Stanley Cup losing team, while a Vezina tells about how you're the best goaltender over the course of an ENTIRE season, and Hart displays that you are the best player not only on your team, but out of 29 other teams too. I mean, I'm not saying the Conn Smythe is a garbage award, I just think it's not as hard to obtain as a Hart.
What's important is to perform when it counts. And that's mostly the playoffs. If I had to put money on a goaltender to win the cup, I'd take the one that performs under pressure (Giguere) over the one that "performed" during reg season.

Anyway, I think Theodore was not even desserving of the Hart and Vezina that year. His stats were inflated by the system the team was using. I've said so since he won the award. I also believe that Garon is better than Theodore, and that Theodore is a 10-20 goaltender. I know 98% of the people disagree with me and it's okay. However, I still stand by the fact that with what he had done, Theodore deserved $4.5M at most. Of course, I wouldn't have paid that myself, but that's another story.

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I'd rather pay 5,5 - 6 to Jose Theodore than 8 - 9 M to Toronto's Ed Belfour.

Theodore the 6th most overpaid player ? Gimme a break.

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What's important is to perform when it counts.

Anyway, I don't want to get back on this, but I think Theodore was not even desserving of the Hart and Vezina that year. His stats were inflated by the system the team was using.
Which was letting the other team shoot on goal 50 times a game ?

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Which was letting the other team shoot on goal 50 times a game ?
Basically, the strategy was to play a full 60 minutes in PK mode. As in, no pressure on the outside and let them shoot. Most of the shots that Montreal received were from the perimeter. The system was built around Theodore...

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