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12-19-2004, 12:24 PM
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Yep, Ballard. I tried to think of one incident during the Ballard era and rewrite it, but too many damn things went wrong. If john Bassett and Stafford Smythe had instead worked together and squeezed Harold Ballard out, the Leafs fortunes might have been a lot better.

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Accoring to Phil Esposito, Ballard didn't want any Italians on his team. Damn biggot, he should have croaked way earlier!

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12-19-2004, 12:31 PM
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Accoring to Phil Esposito, Ballard didn't want any Italians on his team. Damn biggot, he should have croaked way earlier!
Holy crap you're not a Leaf fan

Everyone, HF has reached a new, euphoric high


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12-19-2004, 12:34 PM
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By the way, Gretzky's draft year would have been 1979, unless of course, the WHA never happened and the draft age stayed at 20 it would have been 1981.

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12-19-2004, 12:37 PM
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The knuckleheads in the off-ice officiating booth actually review the play and determine that Brett Hull's skate was in the crease. Hasek regains his poise, the Sabres score in OT of game 6, and go into Dallas and take game 7 from a tired Stars club.

The City of Buffalo takes the next week off, celebrating the fact that they have a comeback for all of those damn Super Bowl jokes.

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12-19-2004, 12:38 PM
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Accoring to Phil Esposito, Ballard didn't want any Italians on his team. Damn biggot, he should have croaked way earlier!
What a newsflash-- Ballard was a bigot! If you are trying to get a Leafs fan to defend him, you are going to be dissapointed. We all prayed for his death! In fact, I have kept the Toronto Star newspaper from April 12, 1990 commemorating his death.

Ballard didn't like Americans, Russians, Finns, or Czechs! By the 80s he softened his stance to just Soviets. He wouldn't even let them play against the Leafs when they toured. He even didn't like players if they were religious making some incredibly despicable comments about a young Laurie Boschman who happened to be a born again Christian.

You'll be hard pressed to find any good in Harold Ballard, or anyone willing to defend him.

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12-19-2004, 12:44 PM
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You'll be hard pressed to find any good in Harold Ballard, or anyone willing to defend him.
Well, if you're an anti-monarchy Maximum-Capitalist *****....I'm sure you could find *one* good thing to say about him

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12-19-2004, 12:51 PM
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Thornton doesn't get injured against Washington before the playoffs and plays the best he has ever had against the Habs.
But the Habs still come out victorious!!!

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Tampa Bay Ownership decides that Lecavalier's time with the team is over and ok's deal with Ottawa Senators for Radek Bonk. Lecavalier goes on to thrive under new system.
How about that deal with Toronto involving LeCavalier? If that happened, maybe the Leafs could have won the cup this year.

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12-19-2004, 04:21 PM
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How about that deal with Toronto involving LeCavalier? If that happened, maybe the Leafs could have won the cup this year.
Nope, sorry, he's allready on the Sens, history has been re-made. No take backs!

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12-19-2004, 04:29 PM
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Martin Gelinas' goal.. counts.

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12-19-2004, 06:26 PM
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Winnipeg Jets never trade Selanne. They build around Tkachuk, Khabibulin, Selanne, Zhmanov, Numminen, and save hockey in the 'peg.

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Winnipeg Jets never trade Selanne. They build around Tkachuk, Khabibulin, Selanne, Zhmanov, Numminen, and save hockey in the 'peg.
They got rid of Selanne at the point when saving the team was impossible, the post game celebrations for their final regular season game was already planned at that point. If anything, Coyoties' fans should be steaming!

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12-19-2004, 07:24 PM
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How about if Sam Pollack had appointed Scotty Bowman his successor as GM of the Habs back in '79. Scotty goes on to draft supersatrs through the 80s and make smart trades, the Habs compete with the Islanders and Oilers as the team of the decade and keept the dynasty alive.

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How about if Sam Pollack had appointed Scotty Bowman his successor as GM of the Habs back in '79. Scotty goes on to draft supersatrs through the 80s and make smart trades, the Habs compete with the Islanders and Oilers as the team of the decade and keept the dynasty alive.
Bowman was a great coach, but not exactly the best GM.

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12-19-2004, 07:42 PM
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The Pacific Coast and Western Canada leagues don't go out of business in the 1920's, the west doesn't go 40+ years without a top-level pro team, and hockey today is set up like baseball, with two separate leagues whose champions compete for the Stanley Cup.

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12-19-2004, 08:17 PM
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Patrick Roy gets injured the day before Game 1 of the 2000-2001 Stanley Cup Finals. The Devils win the Stanley Cup in 6 games.

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12-19-2004, 08:23 PM
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Bowman was a great coach, but not exactly the best GM.
He took Buffalo from Semi Finalist to drafting first overall!

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saku koivu never go's through all those tidious injuries ( his knees ) as well as never having cancer. he establishes himself as a top 10 center in the league and gains the respect from everyone that he deserves. he breaks 100 points several times in his career.

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93. Kerry Fraser chooses not to ignore Gretzky's highstick resulting in the great one going off for a penalty. With Gretz in the box, the Kings don't score and the Leafs aren't robbed of what would have been one of the best Stanley Cup finals ever. Leafs vs Canadiens with Toronto winning in 6.

Ballard doesn't deceive his way into majority ownership and the Smythe family continues to own the Leafs resulting in many more cups.

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Mario Lemieux stayed healthy.

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In the 2000 ECF Lindros decides to sit it out and the Flyers beat NJ to make it to the Stanley Cup. Lindros then comes back and Philly finally has a champion after 20 years.


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The Kings draft Ray Bourqe.

Marty McSorley, has a regualtion curve.

Jason Allison, never gets a knee on knee hit from Andy Sutton.

Adam Deadmarsh is born with a stronger mellon.

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12-20-2004, 02:55 PM
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The knuckleheads in the off-ice officiating booth actually review the play and determine that Brett Hull's skate was in the crease. Hasek regains his poise, the Sabres score in OT of game 6, and go into Dallas and take game 7 from a tired Stars club.

The City of Buffalo takes the next week off, celebrating the fact that they have a comeback for all of those damn Super Bowl jokes.

I was waiting for one of these to show up!!!

Rewind 20 years and move the brick wall that Pelle Lindbergh drove in to, or the iron fence that Heatley ran into, or the ditch that Steve Chiasson rolled into, or the ditch that Herby Brooks drove into! All a shame, all good players and hockey minds lost!

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12-20-2004, 03:18 PM
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Michel Briere doesn't pass away from injuries in a car accident after a very promising rookie season with the penguins in 1969-70:

Briere continues to improve his production each season and in 1974-75, he is joined by Pierre Larouche to form an outstanding 1-2 punch for the Penguins. Both become regular fixtures in the top 20 in league scoring for most of the decade. The Pens are on the verge of contending for most of the 70s but fail to deliver a cup to Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh has a similar path to the Buffalo Sabres franchise riding their own french connection into the 80s. Pierre Larouche is dealt to Montreal in 1981 following a 91 point season for 3rd year defensemen Rod Langway. They start to slide to the middle of the pack and in 1986 they have fallen to the bottom of the league. The Penguins select Defensemen Brian Leetch in a somewhat surprising pick. Briere retires shortly into the 1986-87 season after playing his 1330th career game. He retires the Penguins all time leader in games played, goals, assists and obviously points. He is inducted into the Hall of fame following the three year waiting period.
After signing Joe Mullen as a free agent and drafting Neal Broten 37th in 1979, the Penguins focus their scouting efforts on American Collegiate hockey and have stockpiled a nice collection of talent through the draft in the early 1980s to make up the core of their roster:1980 Steve Bozek (51st); Aaron Broten (93rd); 1981: Chris Chelios (28th overall) Adam Oates (a steal at 70); 1982: Patrick Flatey (10th overall) 1983:Frank Pietrangelo (64th); Garry Galley (103rd);1984: Gary Suter (drafted in the 4th round 72nd overall ); Brett Hull (a gamble at 93rd); 1985: Joe Nieuwendyk(6th overall); Mike Richter (27th) 1986: Brian Leetch (1st) Bob Corkum (43rd)

In 1988 the Penguins swerve from their NCAA strategy to select OHL phenom Bryan Fogarty at 5th overall in a move that pays off handsomely. Fogarty goes on to an all star career, leading defensemen in scoring in 1991 when the Penguins win their first of 3 straight Stanley cups. 15 of the 23 players on their roster are NCAA grads.

Due to playing in a small market and an out of date building, the Penguins are forced to begin trading off their assets in 1999. Deals with the New York Rangers (Richter and Leetch), Toronto Maple Leafs (Fogarty and Nieuwendyk) Dallas Stars (Chelios) and Chicago Black Hawks (Suter, Hull, and Oates) have left the Penguins a stripped down shell of their former self. In 2002, after failing to obtain fininacing to build a new arena, the Penguins move to Houston.

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