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05-26-2012, 09:24 AM
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There's one other issue ... if they truly are done with Gaborik ... that probably means they'll go hard after Nash again. CLB can't just keep making crazy demands, and they eventually caved on Carter where they got a decent return. NY is probably a favorite to get that done, IMO.

Those players you're throwing around ... Dubinsky, Anisimov ... are likely to be key pieces of a trade for Nash ... maybe Dubinsky more than Anisimov. What was the rumored trade deadline offer? Dubinsky, Erixon, and a 1st? If CLB is smart, I think they take it and run.

Furthermore ... there's always Parise ... and NY has a knack for making the big splash in free agency. Their cap situation isn't bad, and they could probably afford to do it even with Gabby still on the roster. Heck ... since Dubinsky's cap hit would probably be going the other way for Nash ... they could probably afford Nash and Parise.

I agree you could see a shakeup in NY, but it's going to be for big pieces Dallas can't offer, IMO. If you're trading with NY, it's probably to help them dump salary ... like Gaborik if you want to pay him $7.5 million the next 2 years.

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05-26-2012, 10:58 AM
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Gaborik played a full season this season. That means he's due to miss 40 or so game next season. No thanks.

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05-26-2012, 12:00 PM
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Gaborik played a full season this season. That means he's due to miss 40 or so game next season. No thanks.
This is sadly true.

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05-26-2012, 12:55 PM
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Gaborik could very well be traded. Torts mentioned in his post-game interview that he wasn't happy with how some of the players reacted to pressure and adversity during this series. He said he was very pleased and happy with some of his players, but others he was just as surprised with in a bad way.

I love Gabby, but he was a ghost these playoffs. Sure he drew top defenders and was constantly checked. Sure he put up assists. But he was playing weak and scared, and with NY looking to move to Cup contention mode, I'm not sure if an on-again off-again regular season performer will be enough.

I think Dubi, Anisimov, and Gaborik all could be on the block to be honest. Changes will come. I'm not sure if we have anything the Rangers would want though. Maybe Ryder for a Cup run at the deadline? I feel like the Rangers will make their moves in the offseason. Trade Anisimov or Dubi for a year of Ribeiro? I don't see it happening. Sather's not retarded, and has said he won't trade youth for mercenaries anymore.
But Torts isn't the GM.

Players have sucked in the playoffs before and not been traded. It happens all the time, Thornton being a prime example.

Just don't see it in the cards.

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05-26-2012, 01:48 PM
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Oh yea, I could easily see him not getting traded as well. Teams lacking in offense don't trade the 3rd best scorer in the league. That being said, his performance in the playoffs was concerning. He also has a NTC though, so I doubt anything happens.

I also misunderstood Tort's quotes, he was referring to some of the younger guys who he's concerned about. I'd say that's most likely in reference to Anisimov, Hagelin, and maybe MDZ. Of that I'd only say Anisimov is likely to be moved.

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05-26-2012, 02:09 PM
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Meanwhile on the Trade board, DallasStarsFan06 really wants to get rid of Loui for some reason...

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05-26-2012, 03:04 PM
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It seems like most people with the words "stars" and "fan" in their handle are not actually fans of the Stars.

I could see trading Loui IF the team went into full rebuild mode, because I think he could return two top young players almost on his own (NYR defenseman+Kreider for example).

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Nope, the most underrated player in the NHL won't receive any value for the Stars. Loui will stay here for a long time

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05-28-2012, 12:21 PM
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Proposal - Dallas trades Brenden Morrow to the NY Rangers for J.T. Miller.

I guess Dallas would have to add something, although I don't know what.

The Rangers have Richards, Anisimov, Kreider and Stepan for their current centers. Since reaching the ECF they will really push hard next year for the cup. Several things need to fall through for them for this to happen though. Like NY missing out on Parise and Nash. They only have 4 D signed for next year, with Del Zotto and Stralman as RFA's. So they might want a Morrow + Fistric. Or, Biron is a UFA and might take Morrow + Bachman.

I would think Morrow would want to go to a contender, which NYR should be next year.

What do you think?

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05-28-2012, 12:27 PM
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Don't know much about J.T. Miller, but at first glance it would be the Rangers adding, not us.

Of course, if Miller's some Calder candidate in the making, I'll retract the above comment.

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05-28-2012, 12:48 PM
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My reasoning for Dallas adding is that Morrow is only signed for 1 more year and Miller was NYR's 15th overall in the 1st round last year. I think realistically he will be at best a 2C in the NHL. His first year in the OHL he was a point a game player. He is 6'1", 200 lbs. Seems like a guy Joe would like.

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Maybe we wouldn't have to add anything. Give me some wisdom here.

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05-28-2012, 01:52 PM
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I'd rather add to Ribeiro and try to snag Stepan personally. No idea how much though, NYR fans have gone all over the board with what to add.

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05-28-2012, 02:54 PM
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Would you guys do this? I posted it in the Nash thread, but no responses yet.

To DAL
R. Nash
5th 2012

To CLB
S. Ott
T. Daley
J. Campbell
1st 2012

(Assumes Dallas untouchables are Benn, Eriksson, and Lehtonen, seeing as I wouldn't trade any of them for Nash straight-up.)

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05-28-2012, 02:58 PM
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Would you guys do this? I posted it in the Nash thread, but no responses yet.

To DAL
R. Nash
5th 2012

To CLB
S. Ott
T. Daley
J. Campbell
1st 2012

(Assumes Dallas untouchables are Benn, Eriksson, and Lehtonen, seeing as I wouldn't trade any of them for Nash straight-up.)
I would take this deal and run.

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05-28-2012, 03:18 PM
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Nash is the most over-hyped 30 goal scorer in NHL history. For a near eight million dollar cap hit for the rest of eternity, the Stars could land someone a lot better than Nash.

Eric Staal is a guy with a similar contract but lot more upside than Nash.

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05-28-2012, 03:25 PM
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Nash is the most over-hyped 30 goal scorer in NHL history.
He's broken 40 twice and on average he's scored closer to 40 per season than 30 over his career. And that includes his rookie season.

That said, giving up Daley would be very difficult. If you do that the defense is quite likely to be bad next year.

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05-28-2012, 03:40 PM
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Let's be realistic though ... before we start debating trade offers for Nash ... someone should come up with a decent reason he'd put Dallas on his list.

... and, "Dallas is close to breaking out with young talent and new owner." won't fly IMO. So was Columbus at the beginning of last season. They were all in, they just picked the wrong pieces. He’s been on a young team his entire career. He’ll have his pick of top franchises like the NY Rangers, Boston, etc.

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05-28-2012, 05:30 PM
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8 million on a guy who's not even a career ppg player who's on the back end of his career? We can do way better than that.

The fact is that Rick Nash practically has negative value at this point. You could find 3 guys on the free agent market for say 4 mil / 3 mil / 1 mil that would help the team out much more than he would.

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05-28-2012, 05:42 PM
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No thanks. That's not enough for Nash, and Howson is asking for way, way, way too much.

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05-28-2012, 08:52 PM
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Meanwhile on the Trade board, DallasStarsFan06 really wants to get rid of Loui for some reason...
Where is that?

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05-28-2012, 09:07 PM
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Where is that?
Was in the "Rangers Core D-man" thread.

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Would you guys do this? I posted it in the Nash thread, but no responses yet.

To DAL
R. Nash
5th 2012

To CLB
S. Ott
T. Daley
J. Campbell
1st 2012

(Assumes Dallas untouchables are Benn, Eriksson, and Lehtonen, seeing as I wouldn't trade any of them for Nash straight-up.)
I'll pass on that. I think that IF we were going to trade all of them, we could get more young studs that will eventually out -produce Nash. I'm also not a big fan of Nash either. He's a great player and everything, but I think he is a bit over rated.

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05-28-2012, 10:24 PM
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I wouldn't do that deal. I'm not willing to over pay for Nash and I much rather keep Daley and JC along with Ott then trade for Nash. No thanks

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8 million on a guy who's not even a career ppg player who's on the back end of his career? We can do way better than that.
... the back end of his career? He'll be 28. This ought to be his prime, right?

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Was in the "Rangers Core D-man" thread.
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... the back end of his career? He'll be 28. This ought to be his prime, right?
Do you want him in a Stars sweater?

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