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View Poll Results: 3rd ov. + (Tinordi or Beaulieu) for 1st ov?
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05-25-2012, 09:58 AM
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Kaberle can pretty easily be moved if you can find a better fit for a #3-4 guy. His cap hit is not unmoeable like Gomez.
Yes because teams will be really happy to trade something for a 3rd pairing d-man being paid 4.25mil for two more years.

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IMO Kaberle will not be easy to be moved, had he had 1 year left maybe but 2 years left teams will stay away
Once the top 6-8 UFA d-men are off the market you'll see teams with cap room, especially those needing to spend to the cap floor, looking at other avenues to add to their teams.

Heck, Campbell got traded last year and his contract is 10x worse than Kaberle's. He had 5 years left at Gomez level 7+ mil/year. Taking on a 4.25 mil contract is just a bit more than half that.

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Once the top 6-8 UFA d-men are off the market you'll see teams with cap room, especially those needing to spend to the cap floor, looking at other avenues to add to their teams.

Heck, Campbell got traded last year and his contract is 10x worse than Kaberle's. He had 5 years left at Gomez level 7+ mil/year. Taking on a 4.25 mil contract is just a bit more than half that.
The key difference between Campbell and the other 2 is that Campbell is still effective. Makes it much easier to trade his cap hit

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Once the top 6-8 UFA d-men are off the market you'll see teams with cap room, especially those needing to spend to the cap floor, looking at other avenues to add to their teams.

Heck, Campbell got traded last year and his contract is 10x worse than Kaberle's. He had 5 years left at Gomez level 7+ mil/year. Taking on a 4.25 mil contract is just a bit more than half that.
Campbell is still a great defensman, Kaberle isn't.

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Once the top 6-8 UFA d-men are off the market you'll see teams with cap room, especially those needing to spend to the cap floor, looking at other avenues to add to their teams.

Heck, Campbell got traded last year and his contract is 10x worse than Kaberle's. He had 5 years left at Gomez level 7+ mil/year. Taking on a 4.25 mil contract is just a bit more than half that.
His contract might be 10x worse but he is also 10x the player Kaberle is. Replace Campbell by Kaberle in Florida do the Panthers make the playoffs?

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Yes because teams will be really happy to trade something for a 3rd pairing d-man being paid 4.25mil for two more years.
Carey Price was on the Gauthier bandwagon all along and believe this was a good move for the Habs so don't bother fighting this one with him trust me

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The key difference between Campbell and the other 2 is that Campbell is still effective. Makes it much easier to trade his cap hit
He was slightly better defensively and about on par offensively with Kaberle...with alomsy 3 more mil/year and 3 more years on the contract.

Comparison:

32 year old Capmbell(10-11) 65 GP 5-22-27 +6(on the defending cup champs)
5 years left and 35.7 mil left of cap hit and salary.

34 year old Kaberle(11-12) 72 GP 2-28-31 -18(on two terrible teams)
2 years left and 8.5 mil left of cap hit, 8.75 mil of salary.

Taking on Campbell is 5x bigger risk and albatross of a contract. If Kaberle had a normal year people would be calling his contract a bargain instead of a bad one.

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05-25-2012, 10:32 AM
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He was slightly better defensively and about on par offensively with Kaberle...with alomsy 3 more mil/year and 3 more years on the contract.

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32 year old Capmbell(10-11) 65 GP 5-22-27 +6(on the defending cup champs)
5 years left and 35.7 mil left of cap hit and salary.

34 year old Kaberle(11-12) 72 GP 2-28-31 -18(on two terrible teams)
2 years left and 8.5 mil left of cap hit, 8.75 mil of salary.

Taking on Campbell is 5x bigger risk and albatross of a contract. If Kaberle had a normal year people would be calling his contract a bargain instead of a bad one.
Please tell me your joking.

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Campbell is still a great defensman, Kaberle isn't.
Campbell and great don't belong in the same sentence. that's a joke if I ever heard one. If you expect him to be inducted in the hall of fame you'll be waiting a looonngg time.

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He was slightly better defensively and about on par offensively with Kaberle...with alomsy 3 more mil/year and 3 more years on the contract.

Comparison:

32 year old Capmbell(10-11) 65 GP 5-22-27 +6(on the defending cup champs)
5 years left and 35.7 mil left of cap hit and salary.

34 year old Kaberle(11-12) 72 GP 2-28-31 -18(on two terrible teams)
2 years left and 8.5 mil left of cap hit, 8.75 mil of salary.

Taking on Campbell is 5x bigger risk and albatross of a contract. If Kaberle had a normal year people would be calling his contract a bargain instead of a bad one.
Campbell is still an elite skater whereas Kaberle has lost a couple of steps. Campbell is still very good at skating the puck out of his zone unlike Kaberle who quickly finds himself boxed into a corner.

I can tell you that Kaberle has always been overrated as he is pathetically soft and is a liability in the playoffs. Living just outside of Toronto, I have watched a ton of him and have always held the same opinion. Back when the Leafs were actually a playoff team he was always one of the whipping boys after they were ousted. he is both heartless and afraid........almost puked in my mouth when we acquired him.

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Campbell and great don't belong in the same sentence. that's a joke if I ever heard one. If you expect him to be inducted in the hall of fame you'll be waiting a looonngg time.
Hall of Fame.


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He was slightly better defensively and about on par offensively with Kaberle...with alomsy 3 more mil/year and 3 more years on the contract.

Comparison:

32 year old Capmbell(10-11) 65 GP 5-22-27 +6(on the defending cup champs)
5 years left and 35.7 mil left of cap hit and salary.

34 year old Kaberle(11-12) 72 GP 2-28-31 -18(on two terrible teams)
2 years left and 8.5 mil left of cap hit, 8.75 mil of salary.

Taking on Campbell is 5x bigger risk and albatross of a contract. If Kaberle had a normal year people would be calling his contract a bargain instead of a bad one.
I understand where you're coming from but points aren't enough in this case. The negative impressions he left in Toronto, Boston, Carolina (where the GM outright said his signing was a mistake) and now here are the real deterrents

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He was slightly better defensively and about on par offensively with Kaberle...with alomsy 3 more mil/year and 3 more years on the contract.

Comparison:

32 year old Capmbell(10-11) 65 GP 5-22-27 +6(on the defending cup champs)
5 years left and 35.7 mil left of cap hit and salary.

34 year old Kaberle(11-12) 72 GP 2-28-31 -18(on two terrible teams)
2 years left and 8.5 mil left of cap hit, 8.75 mil of salary.

Taking on Campbell is 5x bigger risk and albatross of a contract. If Kaberle had a normal year people would be calling his contract a bargain instead of a bad one.
Why are you using the Stats from the 2010-11 season for Campbell. He was playing behind Keith and Seabrook it's normal his numbers aren't has great but it doesn't mean he had a bad year unlike Kaberle

Campbell proved he can be a top 2 guy, Kaberle is a 5-6 that's about it

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Hall of Fame.

If you're going to call somebody great that's what you're alluding to. Saying Brian friking Campbell is great is a joke.

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I understand where you're coming from but points aren't enough in this case. The negative impressions he left in Toronto, Boston, Carolina (where the GM outright said his signing was a mistake) and now here are the real deterrents
How did he leave a negative impression in Toronto? He was good enough to get them Colborne(#2 Boston prospect at the time) and a 1st rounder as a rental.

How did he leave a negative impression in Boston he helped them win a freaking Stanley cup.

Carolina I agree, but it's a bad half season. Even before he left he had 4 points and +2 his last 2 games, he was on his way to turning it around.

His last 44 games he went 3-23-26 and -4 with crappy ice time(thanks to Cunneyworth playing 7 d-men).

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Why are you using the Stats from the 2010-11 season for Campbell. He was playing behind Keith and Seabrook it's normal his numbers aren't has great but it doesn't mean he had a bad year unlike Kaberle

Campbell proved he can be a top 2 guy, Kaberle is a 5-6 that's about it
Campbell's numbers should have been great playing on a stacked team. Kaberle got a lot less minutes last year in Montreal than Campbell in 10-11 and outproduced him by about 40%.

Look at his minutes played Kaberle was a #1 or 2 his whole career until last year.

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If you're going to call somebody great that's what you're alluding to. Saying Brian friking Campbell is great is a joke.
I really don't know what to say to you.

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Campbell's numbers should have been great playing on a stacked team. Kaberle got a lot less minutes last year in Montreal than Campbell in 10-11 and outproduced him by about 40%.

Look at his minutes played Kaberle was a #1 or 2 his whole career until last year.
And that's exactly the point I tried to make to you, Kaberle played # 1 minutes in Toronto because they sucked and never had anyone better. Once he was traded to teams that actually had good defensemans, they realized he was nothing but bottom pairing

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I don't get the hate for Kaberle... he came in and put up points. That's why he was brought in. His contract might be slightly high, but he's an effective player...

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How did he leave a negative impression in Toronto? He was good enough to get them Colborne(#2 Boston prospect at the time) and a 1st rounder as a rental.

How did he leave a negative impression in Boston he helped them win a freaking Stanley cup.

Carolina I agree, but it's a bad half season. Even before he left he had 4 points and +2 his last 2 games, he was on his way to turning it around.

His last 44 games he went 3-23-26 and -4 with crappy ice time(thanks to Cunneyworth playing 7 d-men).
Re: Toronto: By that logic Gomez should get a statue in NY

Re: Boston: The fact that they paid a steep price to obtain his services (primarily to help their PP, which he didn't). Yes, Boston won the cup. But that doesn't make all their players golden

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I don't get the hate for Kaberle... he came in and put up points. That's why he was brought in. His contract might be slightly high, but he's an effective player...
When he's not putting points, he's a pylon. That's the issue. Ideally the most complete players of your team need to be your dmen (or your Dcore). Kaberle doesn't fit that bill and is far less useful than other specialists around this league. (Gill for instance.)

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I agree that it doesn't make sense to go after him with DD's breakout season, Plekanec on the roster and Stastny's probable price tag that would be needed to lure him out of Denver.

The differance between him and Gomez is that Gomez clearly wasn't the same player he was in NJ when we traded for him and as someone who missed only a handful of Avs games in the past 4 years I can safely tell you that the difference between Stastny right now and back when he scored 79 points isn't big in terms of offensive chances he generates per game, but there's a big drop off in terms of talent on his wings, his defensive game is slightly better now and his facoff abilities have been greatly improved.
DD, he is too small to ever be a consistent full time top six player in this league. People try to compare him to Briere & St. Louis, but if you really analyze it, both are a) better suited for the wing & b) shoot first style players.

Desharnias a playmaker all the way & size does matter in that role.

I believe Stastny would be an upgrade over Plex. & I also believe a team such as SJ who is looking to shake things up & has often dealt with the Habs, might just be interested Tomas' services. If we could get a return that included a winger such Ryan Clowe, I would not hesitate.

As for Gomez', Bourque's & Kaberle's contracts, there is really only one way out & do as the Rangers did with Wade Redden, bury them in the minors & wipe them off of the cap hit.

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I don't get the hate for Kaberle... he came in and put up points. That's why he was brought in. His contract might be slightly high, but he's an effective player...
With a healthy Markov(fingers crossed), a maturing Subban & a couple of kids in Diaz & Weber still on the roster, Kaberle's role become expensively redundant!!

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Edm 1st to mon

Subban price 3rd ov to edm
for 1st ov and 32 gagner

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