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05-23-2012, 02:51 PM
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Agreed. He is already in there, as he should be.

He should be in the HHoF in a special exhibit on the 72 Series perhaps, but not in the Hall proper IMO. If he should be in there, should Mike Eruzione be in there as well? He scored a pretty big goal in hockey history as well.
The entire 1972 team was already honored by the HHOF:

http://www.hhof.com/htmlNewsPromo/s72menu.shtml

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Marc-André Fleury belongs in the Hall of Fame - making a pair of key saves late in Game 6 and Game 7 to preserve those 2-1 wins. Remember, a guy like Lidstrom is on his way to the Hall of Fame, even though the Wings LOST????? It's time to give Fleury his due!

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You already lost your argument...

One goal by itself (no matter how important) does not make a player qualify for the HHOF.
He actually scored the winning goals of all three of the final games of an 8 game series.

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He actually scored the winning goals of all three of the final games of an 8 game series.
Good point nucks88

I'm sure some of you naysayers aren't old enough to know the whole story, but this was the cold war of Hockey, and if Canada had lost, there wouldn't have been Canada Cups, world Cups and maybe even NHL players in the Olympics Today, as they were boycotting the Olympics back then.

Henderson is a national heroe for those 3 final game winners ( 3 games we had to win).

What is Tretiak in the HHoF for? For beating weak european teams in world cups in the 70's???????

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05-24-2012, 08:13 AM
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What is Tretiak in the HHoF for? For beating weak european teams in world cups in the 70's???????
Winning the Canada Cup in '81, several Olympic golds and World Championship titles among other things. What's Henderson done besides a couple of goals?

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What's Henderson done besides a couple of goals?
And then Henderson's goals helped beat a team that wasn't even the best in Europe.

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Maybe you should ask yourself why Henderson's Summit jersey sold for over $1 million dollars? This should give you some indication how important his goals were for Canada and the NHL.

Every other Summit jersey sold only for about $10,000.

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HHOF should be based on a career, not a two-three week tournament regardless of the political implications.

It's like asking if the whole 1980 US Mens Hockey team should be in the HHOF.

No to both.

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Maybe you should ask yourself why Henderson's Summit jersey sold for over $1 million dollars? This should give you some indication how important his goals were for Canada and the NHL.

Every other Summit jersey sold only for about $10,000.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Eruzione

The Hall of Fame is about the greatest players of all time, not just the most famous moments.

How about Mike Legg, the University of Michigan player who scored that crazy scoop shot against Minnesota in the 1996 NCAA tourney? How many views does THAT video have on youtube? Does he make the cut?

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Good point nucks88

I'm sure some of you naysayers aren't old enough to know the whole story, but this was the cold war of Hockey, and if Canada had lost, there wouldn't have been Canada Cups, world Cups and maybe even NHL players in the Olympics Today, as they were boycotting the Olympics back then.

Henderson is a national heroe for those 3 final game winners ( 3 games we had to win).

What is Tretiak in the HHoF for? For beating weak european teams in world cups in the 70's???????
Don't diminish the role of players such as "Tony O" in that series win without whom Henderson wouldn't have even been in a position to scoring the winning goal in those games.

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05-24-2012, 10:29 AM
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Good point nucks88

I'm sure some of you naysayers aren't old enough to know the whole story, but this was the cold war of Hockey, and if Canada had lost, there wouldn't have been Canada Cups, world Cups and maybe even NHL players in the Olympics Today, as they were boycotting the Olympics back then.

Henderson is a national heroe for those 3 final game winners ( 3 games we had to win).
Which is a great argument as to why Paul Henderson should be in the Canadian Sports Hall of Fame (which he is) and given the Order of Canada (which he hasn't and is a bit puzzling). Hockey Hall of Fame...not so much.

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Maybe you should ask yourself why Henderson's Summit jersey sold for over $1 million dollars? This should give you some indication how important his goals were for Canada and the NHL.

Every other Summit jersey sold only for about $10,000.
Does that make Paul Henderson 100x better than Phil Esposito or Bobby Clarke? People paid that price because of the goal, not because it was Paul Henderson. Go see what a game-worn Henderson Leafs jersey sells for and compare it to a game-worn Dryden Habs jersey. That'll give you a better indication.

He scored the most famous goal in hockey history (for Canadians, at least), but that doesn't make him an all-time great. One moment of glory, no matter how glorious, does not a Hall of Famer make.

If it was Brendan Morrow and not Sidney Crosby scoring the golden goal in 2010, would you be pushing for Morrow to get in the Hall?


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Henderson does not belong in the NHL Hall of Fame.
If the IIHF wants to honour him, that would be the spot.
There is no NHL Hall of Fame. The HHoF is not restricted to simply NHL players. For instance, Tretiak is in the HHoF and never played in the NHL.

The IIHF does have a hall of fame but I believe it's attached to the HHoF. Personally though I agree with you. I don't think Henderson belongs there outside of his recognition as part of the whole team.

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What is Tretiak in the HHoF for? For beating weak european teams in world cups in the 70's???????
Gee, I don't know...

Olympic Gold x3
WHC Gold x10
Canada Cup Gold

His numbers with CKSA Moscow are hard to find, but this guy was a phenomenal goaltender.

Henderson was a hero for his goals, sure, but you're facing an impossible task trying to diminish Tretiak.

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There is no NHL Hall of Fame. The HHoF is not restricted to simply NHL players. For instance, Tretiak is in the HHoF and never played in the NHL.

The IIHF does have a hall of fame but I believe it's attached to the HHoF. Personally though I agree with you. I don't think Henderson belongs there outside of his recognition as part of the whole team.



Gee, I don't know...

Olympic Gold x3
WHC Gold x10
Canada Cup Gold

His numbers with CKSA Moscow are hard to find, but this guy was a phenomenal goaltender.

Henderson was a hero for his goals, sure, but you're facing an impossible task trying to diminish Tretiak.
Which was hardly his fault given the political environment at the time.

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One week does not make a career. His NHL stats are similar to guys like Mariusz Czerkawski, Nikolai Antropov, and Randy Burridge.

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Sorry to sound like "one of those guys" but unless you lived through that time and were old enough to get caught up in the whole newness of International Hockey you have no idea what winning that series meant. To my generation Henderson is a folk hero no matter what stats you can conjure up. There are far less deserving people in the hall.

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And then Henderson's goals helped beat a team that wasn't even the best in Europe.
Which team in Europe was better than the Central Red Army/ National team?

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Good point nucks88

I'm sure some of you naysayers aren't old enough to know the whole story, but this was the cold war of Hockey, and if Canada had lost, there wouldn't have been Canada Cups, world Cups and maybe even NHL players in the Olympics Today, as they were boycotting the Olympics back then.

Henderson is a national heroe for those 3 final game winners ( 3 games we had to win).

What is Tretiak in the HHoF for? For beating weak european teams in world cups in the 70's???????
With the (major) exception of that last line, this is a good post. That series had a huge impact beyond hockey that most of the younger people here can't put into context. This was the first time professional North American and Russian players were sharing the ice in a very long time. The Canadians were expected to dominate and roll through the series, many thinking a win or two would be a stroke of luck for the Russians.

By the end of the Canadian half of the series Canada was down 1-2-1. First game in Moscow they led 4-1 but lost the game 5-4. Canada was losing their perceived dominance in hockey and it was a big deal, especially in the height of the Cold War.

Henderson scored the winning goal in all 3 of the remaining games. Game 8, the game and series were both tied, and Russia would win the series in event of a tie game (due to goal differential). 34 seconds remaining, Henderson wins the series. Many businesses and schools in Canada shut down for the day so people could watch the game.

I want to point out also that there is no NHL hall of fame. We're talking about the Hockey hall of fame. The Crosby/Olympic comparison doesn't hold up for me, this wasn't just a championship. Henderson's goals were a major moment in hockey history. The 72 teams are in the hall collectively, maybe that's enough, but I personally feel Henderson should be there.

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The HHOF is for the crème de la crème - the very best - of hockey players. Yes, there are questionable entries within those venerable halls.

However, like many posters have stated, Henderson was an average player who played extremely well for about a week. That does not constitute excellence; merely, timeliness.


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If you want to put Paul Henderson in the HOF you might as well put Jordan Eberle in it

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Guy should definitely be in the hall of fame... He scored the most famous goal in Candian hockey history!!

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Henderson was decent but average player. He is also a great person. But scoring some key goals in a one off September exhibition series does not make one HOF worthy IMO. Team USA from 1980 is far more deserving. They actually won a real event.

The fact that so many people take that 1972 exhibition series so seriously shows how effective the propaganda has been from the Canadian hockey establishment. Youngsters are indoctrinated from a very young age here about how 'important' that meaningless exhibition tour was. The profiteers have made a mint from selling videos, etc of it. If Canada lost that event then we would never hear anything about it, which shows us how important it actually was. How many Challenge Cup conversations do you hear these days...?

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Which team in Europe was better than the Central Red Army/ National team?
Czechoslovakia.

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Good point nucks88

I'm sure some of you naysayers aren't old enough to know the whole story, but this was the cold war of Hockey, and if Canada had lost, there wouldn't have been Canada Cups, world Cups and maybe even NHL players in the Olympics Today, as they were boycotting the Olympics back then.

Henderson is a national heroe for those 3 final game winners ( 3 games we had to win).

What is Tretiak in the HHoF for? For beating weak european teams in world cups in the 70's???????
do you know who tretiak is???

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