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06-27-2012, 09:28 AM
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Well since it was like 20 years ago you last was getting spoiled...you deserve after so long a wait!
When we had guys like Kercs,Balderis,Belavskis(thats the guy with the spin-o-rama),Irbe,Ozolins,Zholtok(R.I.P) those were the times.

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06-27-2012, 09:30 AM
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But Ukraine takes the record in hopelessness.....not a single draft since 2002!
Well maybe the new KHL club will light some spark in their hockey but maybe im just beeing too optimistic.
Ukraine needs to restructure their kids and youth hockey or else theyre not getting anywhere.

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06-27-2012, 09:38 AM
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Well maybe the new KHL club will light some spark in their hockey but maybe im just beeing too optimistic.
Actually im starting to also see progress from young players from Hungary! They are solid division 1 and also seem to improve all the time!
Janos Hari:
http://eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=14416
Norbert Hari:
http://eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=85692
Istvan Bartalis
http://eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=14074
Áron Könzcei
http://eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=60284
Vilmos Gallo
http://eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=367
Zoltan Hetenyi
http://eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=15583

Then with the older bunch:
János Vas
http://eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=367
Levente Szuper
http://eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=7930

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06-27-2012, 09:44 AM
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Well maybe the new KHL club will light some spark in their hockey but maybe im just beeing too optimistic.
Ukraine needs to restructure their kids and youth hockey or else theyre not getting anywhere.
Yeah if kids cant play...they will choose other sports and hockey dies!

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06-27-2012, 09:48 AM
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Actually im starting to also see progress from young players from Hungary! They are solid division 1 and also seem to improve all the time!
Janos Hari:
http://eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=14416
Norbert Hari:
http://eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=85692
Istvan Bartalis
http://eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=14074
Áron Könzcei
http://eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=60284
Vilmos Gallo
http://eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=367
Zoltan Hetenyi
http://eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=15583

Then with the older bunch:
János Vas
http://eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=367
Levente Szuper
http://eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=7930
Not only do they have some promising players but as i understand hockey is quite popular in Hungary aswell!

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06-27-2012, 09:50 AM
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Yeah if kids cant play...they will choose other sports and hockey dies!
Hope ukraine also gets mhl and mhl-b teams(just like we did and look how promising player we got-Rihards Bukarts) where subsequently all u-18 and u-16 could play

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06-27-2012, 09:52 AM
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Not only do they have some promising players but as i understand hockey is quite popular in Hungary aswell!
I just think its great that the rest of scandinavia and basically all central europe are going forward in hockey.
It's just GB, Belgium and Holland in the west that are left behind, and some eastern european countries where its falling in popularity. Southern Europe offcourse have the climate problem
But Holland is just a matter of time......with all their speed scaters its not speed they lack

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06-27-2012, 09:55 AM
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I just think its great that the rest of scandinavia and basically all central europe are going forward in hockey.
It's just GB, Belgium and Holland in the west that are left behind, and some eastern european countries where its falling in popularity. Southern Europe offcourse have the climate problem
But Holland is just a matter of time......with all their speed scaters its not speed they lack :laugh:
I can tell you what they lack-exposure to hockey,if they had NHL,KHL,SEL on TV,eventually people would start getting more and more interested and interest generates new players and new players generate hockey growth.

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If USA and Canada continue their unwillingness to move Stanley Cup for WC it might be possible to do a real European Championship when KHL gets stronger in the future??

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Actually when it comes to the little brother of speed scating....short track. Some of the best european countries are actually Holland, GB and Italy (Fabio Carta, Arianna Fontana..two legends)......so it's no reason it cant be hockey either!

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If USA and Canada continue their unwillingness to move Stanley Cup for WC it might be possible to do a real European Championship when KHL gets stronger in the future??
Oh im not expert in this, theres a looong discussion about this issue somwhere on these boards,cant seems to find it,basically some people are for making such league and some are strongly against it.

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Oh im not expert in this, theres a looong discussion about this issue somwhere on these boards,cant seems to find it,basically some people are for making such league and some are strongly against it.
Yeah but they are talking about more of an club league right (like the champions league)??
Im talking about an NT european championship like the one in football right now!

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06-27-2012, 10:02 AM
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Yeah but they are talking about more of an club league right (like the champions league)??
Im talking about an NT european championship like the one in football right now!
Well i dont know,no matter how strong KHL gets best players are still gonna play in NHL and they wont let them go to some European championship.NHL is really ignorant in this respect,i hate that they refuse to let best players to WC.

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I mean it's never really garantied that even the olympics will have the best players......NHL always have so high demands (like NHL referees) even when you play on big rinks and so on.
With a growing number of good players staying in Europe a real EC might have a chance eventually if USA and Canada choose to neglect the WC anyways!

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Well i dont know,no matter how strong KHL gets best players are still gonna play in NHL and they wont let them go to some European championship.NHL is really ignorant in this respect,i hate that they refuse to let best players to WC.
Well as in football.....its all about money. best players go to where the best money are. If you are a promising player do you want a mega-man league getting concussions constantly or a technical league where even 1.64 tall guys can play?

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I mean it's never really garantied that even the olympics will have the best players......NHL always have so high demands (like NHL referees) even when you play on big rinks and so on.
With a growing number of good players staying in Europe a real EC might have a chance eventually if USA and Canada choose to neglect the WC anyways!
Yeah if theres a league who can even try to stand up against NHL its KHL,but still i dont see a EC anytime soon.

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Well as in football.....its all about money. best players go to where the best money are. If you are a promising player do you want a mega-man league getting concussions constantly or a technical league where even 1.64 tall guys can play?
See the problem is,its been constantly drilled into the young guys heads that NHL is dream league,its the best league there ever is and when you get them to believe this young guys will be almost like slaves to your organization playing even in 4th line for ridicilous money where in europe the player could get twice that.

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See the problem is,its been constantly drilled into the young guys heads that NHL is dream league,its the best league there ever is and when you get them to believe this young guys will be almost like slaves to your organization playing even in 4th line for ridicilous money where in europe the player could get twice that.
yeah..but it only takes 5 years of TV exposure to change that for the next youth bunch of kids. You just need a more europe based league than KHL so you dont have to travel deep into siberia...but a central european league based from germany(switzerland/austria) maybe. Sweden and Finland have their own leagues that will stay on very old fanbases...but for the newer central european countries these ties might not be so strong.

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yeah..but it only takes 5 years of TV exposure to change that for the next youth bunch of kids. You just need a more europe based league than KHL so you dont have to travel deep into siberia...but a central european league based from germany(switzerland/austria) maybe. Sweden and Finland have their own leagues that will stay on very old fanbases...but for the newer central european countries these ties might not be so strong.
You know i wouldnt write KHL off its already more european than at start of the league its got teams from Latvia(Dinamo) Belarus(Dinamo) Czech Rep (Lev) Slovakia (Slovan),Ukraine (Donbass) and as i understand soon there will be teams from switzerland and germany.

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also i can bet alot of russian teams will be removed so there would be space for new european clubs.

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You know i wouldnt write KHL off its already more european than at start of the league its got teams from Latvia(Dinamo) Belarus(Dinamo) Czech Rep (Lev) Slovakia (Slovan),Ukraine (Donbass) and as i understand soon there will be teams from switzerland and germany.
Yeah they talk about splitting it up into a western and eastern part, right?
Otherwise it would just get to big and unwieldy....who wants to play Amur...its like 9 time zones or what? East coast USA is closer....

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Yeah they talk about splitting it up into a western and eastern part, right?
Otherwise it would just get to big and unwieldy....who wants to play Amur...its like 9 time zones or what? East coast USA is closer....
Yes thats correct,plus all these clubs will greatly enhance the image of the league they both have atleast 10k arenas Slovan has a 10 k,Lev has 12k arena later will move on to 17k arena(that will be the biggest arena in khl history) also these european clubs help with stuff like marketing and overall quality of the product.the new ukrainian team still has things to do,but i expect alot of good things from this team as interest about this team in ukraine is quite large.

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Also broadcasting quality is important in making europeans who have never heard of khl interested
Comparision this years play off broadcasting quality http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTO41zmK0dA
vs some regular season game http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRdng...ure=plpp_video

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3 guys so far drafted in todays chl import draft 38 overall edgars kulda(not sure about him but he had decent statistics at u-18 wc) 40.Jevpalovs(hes too old he wont go over anyway) 48 Blugers(why the **** did they draft him if hes gonna play in ncaa anyway)
Two more drafted-Roberts Lipsbergs and Rinalds Rosinskis.


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3 guys so far drafted in todays chl import draft 38 overall edgars kulda(not sure about him but he had decent statistics at u-18 wc) 40.Jevpalovs(hes too old he wont go over anyway) 48 Blugers(why the **** did they draft him if hes gonna play in ncaa anyway)
Two more drafted-Roberts Lipsbergs and Rinalds Rosinskis.
Oshawa already has two Euro's, so they can afford to take a chance with a guy who might not report. A lot of things can change during the season, and many NCAA guys finish off their junior careers in the CHL after having spent a year or two in College. Depending on how his development is going in the NCAA, Pittsburgh may insist/request that he consider the CHL route before they decide to sign him to an ELC.

As for Jevpalovs, if he still has a dream of any sort of career outside of the KHL, he'd be stupid not to report. Both Dzerins and Saulietis came over late in their junior eligibility and played well enough to be rare import over-agers (which takes up two roster spots due to OA and import limits in the CHL). I'm very surprised he wasn't picked up in the later rounds in the NHL draft with his play at the Juniors. The announcers here seemed to really like him.

From a personal perspective, it would be great having another Latvian to cheer for in the Toronto area. We had a great time getting the Latvian fans out when Daugavins, Grundmanis, Kulda and Dzerins played here (or close by), so having Blugers spend some time in the OHL would be nice.

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