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05-24-2012, 08:39 AM
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a more realistic pen's trade

it's been fun to speculate about some malkin, or staal trade but the chances of that is small compared to a few smaller less glamoress trades.....the pen's have a few defencemen and maybe some 3rd and 4th line players that need to be moved. of course the best from my point of view would be to move the older, more expensive players and move up the kid,s but that might not be the best option. so if you would like to add some one with cup experience, good team player to help your yonger players along or a young up and comming nhl ready defence man. we have the guy for you. depending on who we are talking about we could use an upgrade in the draft, prospect with high up side that might be a yr or two away that you may not want to waite for. make your best offer.

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05-24-2012, 09:32 AM
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Nobody is going to help the Pens out with Martin. You're stuck with him. If there was a chance to move him, it was probably at the TD when teams were desperate. And as I recall, every Pens fan wanted to keep him for the upcoming "long Cup run".

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As a Blues fan I'd be interested in Brooks Orpik. Can he handle top pair minutes? If so he could be a good guy to pair with Pietrangelo.

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Yeah, Hawks would be interested in Orpik too.

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I'd do D'Agostini, McRae, and this years 2nd for Orpik. Is this somewhat close?

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Nobody is going to help the Pens out with Martin. You're stuck with him. If there was a chance to move him, it was probably at the TD when teams were desperate. And as I recall, every Pens fan wanted to keep him for the upcoming "long Cup run".
If Scott Gomez can be dealt...

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Nobody is going to help the Pens out with Martin. You're stuck with him. If there was a chance to move him, it was probably at the TD when teams were desperate. And as I recall, every Pens fan wanted to keep him for the upcoming "long Cup run".
Campbell got moved, Gomez got moved so Paul Martin is definitely moveable.


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I'd do D'Agostini, McRae, and this years 2nd for Orpik. Is this somewhat close?
Not really. D'Agostni isn't worth that much coming off the season he's just had.

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What would Pitt want from Colorado for Orpik?

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Campbell got moved, Gomez got moved so Paul Martin is definitely moveable.




Not really. D'Agostni isn't worth that much coming off the season he's just had.
One for one with Stewart?

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One for one with Stewart?
Deal deal deal. Book it.

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What would Pitt want from Colorado for Orpik?
No Idea, I'm not sure why the Pens deal Orpik as they'd need to replace him with another physical dmen which they don't have.

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One for one with Stewart?
I'd pass given the season Stewart's just had.

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I tend to think Lovejoy, Martin, and maybe Niskanen are the only defenders likely to be on the market, along with perhaps one of Strait/Bortuzzo but I doubt either has much value. For forwards, probably Jeffrey, Adams, and Kennedy though I doubt Adams has much interest.

Pittsburgh really doesn't have much in the way of "disposable" assets unless major changes are made and Staal or Orpik is moved and that isn't likely given Shero's more conservative disposition.

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To those saying 'if Gomez was moved, Martin can be' , I say 'Sure, as long as some team hires Gauthier, Gainey, or Milbury as their GM....'

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To those saying 'if Gomez was moved, Martin can be' , I say 'Sure, as long as some team hires Gauthier, Gainey, or Milbury as their GM....'
Martin is much more moveable than Gomez, anyone who says otherwise hasn't been playing very close attention. No one needs to hire Milbury in order for Martin to get moved.

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Of the Penguins defenseman on the roster, Letang, Orpik, Engelland and Niskanen arent getting moved.

Make offers of Michalek, Martin, and Lovejoy.

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Of the Penguins defenseman on the roster, Letang, Orpik, Engelland and Niskanen arent getting moved.

Make offers of Michalek, Martin, and Lovejoy.
I'm not sure you can put Niskanen in the aren't getting moved category.

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Nobody is going to help the Pens out with Martin. You're stuck with him. If there was a chance to move him, it was probably at the TD when teams were desperate. And as I recall, every Pens fan wanted to keep him for the upcoming "long Cup run".
Not this one. Sure you'd expect him to be more reliable than Strait, but he wasn't. You had to HOPE that Martin would find his game.

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I don't see any team taking on Martin's contract without a pick or prospect like Tangradi added.

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I don't see any team taking on Martin's contract without a pick or prospect like Tangradi added.
why? He's only had one bad season and it's not like there are huge pickings in free agency this year.

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why does everybody hate Martin, he was +20 in the last 21 regular season games and only -1 in the 3 playoff games he played (take into consideration, what Fleury did there).

Martin has really stepped his game up..I don't want to see him traded. I would rather trade Michalek (for cap reasons, the problem is: who would block the shots then).

I would only trade Martin if it was a damn fine hockey trade, if not, I keep him, thanks.

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why? He's only had one bad season and it's not like there are huge pickings in free agency this year.
like I said, his last 20+ games were just fine, I mean acutally way over usual standards and at least worth the money he made there, so that "had a bad year" stuff is a stretch. He finished the season wit a +9, and we have had LOTS of injuries.

Don't forget: we gave up rougly 3.5 g/per game since Sid came back, and he still managed to be a +20 in the last 21 games. Just give him some credit.

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why does everybody hate Martin, he was +20 in the last 21 regular season games and only -1 in the 3 playoff games he played (take into consideration, what Fleury did there).
So Schultz +50 the other year must mean he's an awesome D? Even though that was 2 yrs ago and he's kinda sucked it up since... As for his +20, the Pens also scored 88 goals over those 21 games (4.2 gpg).

Martin isn't a bad D. However he's NOT what the Pens need. We have Letang, Niskanen, Michalek and Despres who can all pass the puck. Martin only hits guys if he runs into them by mistake. And while he does occasionally block the puck, he doesn't bring enough to the table otherwise to really warrant keeping him. We won't have to pay someone to take him, but we don't really need him.

If Martin leaves (and say he doesn't bring back a D in return), that leaves something like this. I'm fine with this. Or move Niskanen or Engelland as well and bring in a UFA (Allen, etc).

Letang Orpik
Michalek Niskanen
Despres Engelland
Strait/Bortuzzo

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why does everybody hate Martin, he was +20 in the last 21 regular season games and only -1 in the 3 playoff games he played (take into consideration, what Fleury did there).

Martin has really stepped his game up..I don't want to see him traded. I would rather trade Michalek (for cap reasons, the problem is: who would block the shots then).

I would only trade Martin if it was a damn fine hockey trade, if not, I keep him, thanks.
I'm not sure how to respond to this without offending you. I'll just say this though.

Did you even watch the games? Martin was nothing more than a traffic cone.

Your +20 stat is hilarious, though. Schultz was a +46 for the Capitals one year, does that make him any good defensively?

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You know it's bad when +/- is the only argument you can make that Martin had a good year.

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