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03-28-2012, 11:32 PM
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Offseason moves

With the season done (I know mathematically they aren't but come on) what moves do you want to see, and what lineup do you want next year?

I'll start:

Trade:

Kipper + Babchuck to Chicago for Crawford + Morin + 1st

Iginla to Boston for Caron + Khokhlachev + 1st

Sign:

Semin 4 years 27 million total (6.75 per) Its high but I doubt it gets matched and the cap hit wouldn't hurt us for the 4 years. ( to at least keep this team respectable offensively)

Hudler 2 years 5.75 mil (2.875 pre)

Bring back Stems incase Caron isn't ready for the third line

Dennis Wideman 4 years 16 mil (4 per) Would be great for our PP

Grossmann 3 years 9.6 mil (3.2 per) him and Gio would be a hell of a pair

FORWARDS

Alex Tanguay ($3.500m) / Matthew Stajan ($3.500m) / Alexander Semin ($6.750m)
Mike Cammalleri ($6.000m) / Jiri Hudler ($2.875m) / Curtis Glencross ($2.550m)
Sven Baertschi ($1.456m) / Mikael Backlund ($1.200m) / Jordan Caron ($1.100m)
Greg Nemisz ($1.046m) / Blair Jones ($0.578m) / Lee Stempniak ($1.900m)
Lance Bouma ($0.693m) / Tim Jackman ($0.613m) /

DEFENSEMEN

Jay Bouwmeester ($6.680m) / Chris Butler ($1.250m)
Nicklas Grossman ($3.200m) / Mark Giordano ($4.020m)
Dennis Wideman ($4.000m) / T.J. Brodie ($0.742m)
Derek Smith ($0.775m)

GOALTENDERS

Leland Irving ($1.000m)
Corey Crawford ($2.667m)

SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $58,093,749; BONUSES: $1,186,250
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $6,206,251

Our goaltending looks like **** but have to hope the defense can help out.


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Just make this the off season Armchair GM thread

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Stajan our #1 C? Are you high? Or do you want a lottery pick?

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I really don't understand what route your taking. You make trades as if were rebuilding and then you sign a big name UFA in Semin, makes no sense.

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Stajan our #1 C? Are you high? Or do you want a lottery pick?
Best FO% don't really want jokinen back and I think he would be good with Semin who do you want to be first line center?

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Stajan our #1 C? Are you high? Or do you want a lottery pick?
Agreed. I think the Flames #1 priority is to get a player like Benn. A young superstar that will play with Baertschi and this years draft pick.

Trade Kipper, Iggy, Jokinen, Jbouw for picks and young proven players. I really believe that this team will be different this offseason. Feaster will make some significant changes.

As much as I like Iginla, Its time to part ways while he has value. There is no way we win a cup with him here. Same with Kipper. Let Kipper shine for another team because his godlike goaltending is a waste playing for us.

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I really don't understand what route your taking. You make trades as if were rebuilding and then you sign a big name UFA in Semin, makes no sense.
Sign Semin with the hope of using the picks to get young talent and by the time they are ready to take his spot we move him for more future assets.

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Id also move Gio for a top line young stud.

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Not to hate or anything, but a lot of high expectations in this thread.

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Wideman is gonna get more than 4 million per if Wisnewski is any comparison.

Either you rebuild the team, or you compete. You can't do both properly anymore. Ottawa did it right, why can't we...

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Wideman is gonna get more than 4 million per if Wisnewski is any comparison.

Either you rebuild the team, or you compete. You can't do both properly anymore. Ottawa did it right, why can't we...
To be fair, they had prospects lined up for a couple years, Spezza to "support" Alfredsson (sp) and the breakout of Michelek/Karlsson this season (sp).


It's way too late to bother with spelling.

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Wideman is gonna get more than 4 million per if Wisnewski is any comparison.

Either you rebuild the team, or you compete. You can't do both properly anymore. Ottawa did it right, why can't we...
1) Drafting. Murray is pretty good when it comes to finding talent with later round picks (2nd and lower). He's also pretty good at making later first rounders count.

2) The Sens already had a key part to their success; he just need time to recover from injuries - a healthy Spezza is pretty elite.

3) The Sens also have a good coach, something the Flames haven't had since Darryl stepped down.

It's importantly to realize as well that the Sens had multiple top ten picks in the last five or so years and critically, their owner and management weren't as brain dead as the Flames' are and actually sold at trade deadlines when the team was out of it. The Flames are determined to avoid lottery picks at any cost which makes drafting and developing talent that much harder.

Anyway the roster in the original post is probably good for a top five pick unless the team manages to snag a brilliant coach from somewhere.

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Wideman is gonna get more than 4 million per if Wisnewski is any comparison.

Either you rebuild the team, or you compete. You can't do both properly anymore. Ottawa did it right, why can't we...
I signed Semin because without him no one could say that we weren't tanking.

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I signed Semin because without him no one could say that we weren't tanking.
I was going to reply to your post, and then I saw your avatar. I don't like you anymore.

I could give less of a **** about how HF views our team, as long as I think the team is doing what they believe is best long term for the franchise. If this means rebuilding and competing, fine. If it means tanking, I'm less okay with it, but I won't bail. If it means attempting to win with this core, well, I'll be disappointed as ****, but I'll still be cheering.

Tanking=/= rebuilding.

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I was going to reply to your post, and then I saw your avatar. I don't like you anymore.

I could give less of a **** about how HF views our team, as long as I think the team is doing what they believe is best long term for the franchise. If this means rebuilding and competing, fine. If it means tanking, I'm less okay with it, but I won't bail. If it means attempting to win with this core, well, I'll be disappointed as ****, but I'll still be cheering.
I am a flames fan first but growing up in van I am a canuck fan as well. I do not respect tanking and would lose alot of respect for this organization if they tank.

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I am a flames fan first but growing up in van I am a canuck fan as well. I do not respect tanking and would lose alot of respect for this organization if they tank.
Very few organizations intentionally tank. However, a combination of inept management, years of poor drafting and player development, declining star players, and injuries will make bottom five finishes a reality. The Flames meet all of these criteria. Barring the miraculous acquisition of several elite superstars in next off season, the Flames are well on their way to the lottery.

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I am a flames fan first but growing up in van I am a canuck fan as well.
So much wrong with this statement.

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Very few organizations intentionally tank. However, a combination of inept management, years of poor drafting and player development, declining star players, and injuries will make bottom five finishes a reality. The Flames meet all of these criteria. Barring the miraculous acquisition of several elite superstars in next off season, the Flames are well on their way to the lottery.
that's what people said this year too. they will not be a lottery team, they will be a team between 7th and 11th, just like this year. With Iggy, Tanguay, Cammy, Glencross, Bouwmeester, Giordano and Kiprusoff the odds of this team being a bottom 5 team are extremely slim.

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that's what people said this year too. they will not be a lottery team, they will be a team between 7th and 11th, just like this year. With Iggy, Tanguay, Cammy, Glencross, Bouwmeester, Giordano and Kiprusoff the odds of this team being a bottom 5 team are extremely slim.
I see Anaheim and Edmonton being better than the Flames next year. The only team I see as a guarantee of being worse than the Flames is Columbus. The only thing keeping this team out of the bottom three teams this season was a super-human effort by Kiprusoff. He'll have to repeat that again next season just for the Flames to have similar success they achieved this year. Considering it will be a transition year for the club, I don't see that happening at all.

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Semin is one of those talents that does good on good teams and bad on bad teams. This team is messed up and Semin is not the type of player that would help. We would throw money at him and really hinder the team more long term. This team needs young character guys moving up and a few leaders being brought in.

There really isnt any UFAs that could alone boost this team. Its going to be long time fix for this team and I dont meant by blowing it all up.

Ship Stajan, Cammalerri and Jaybo out as salary dump for any prospect we can get. That would be a dream come true move.

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I will throw some thoughts out there.

Trades

to
  • (G) Miikka Kiprusoff - $5,833,333
  • (D) Anton Babchuk - $2,500,000
to
  • (C) Joe Colborne - $1,100,000
  • (D) Mike Komisarek - $4,500,000
(Pick) 1st in 2013

Why? - Flames gets a good center prospect to add size down the middle as well as a 1st next year. Leafs get a legitimate #1 goaltender to tutor Reimer for a couple years. The teams would also swap overpaid defensemen to help this work under the cap, the Leafs would likely bury Babchuk while the Flames could use Komisarek on their 3rd pairing as a physical presence to play with Brodie.

to
  • (D) Mark Giordano - $4,020,000
to
  • (D) Mike Green - Restricted Free Agent
  • (Pick) Conditional 2nd in 2013 - If Green plays fewer than 50 games in 2012-13

Why? - Flames get a true PP quarterback that can eat a ton of minutes as well as a conditional pick if Green continues to have injury problems. Capitals get a more hard nosed physical defenseman that is a bit more sound defensively.

to
  • (C) Mikael Backlund - Restricted Free Agent
  • (C) Blair Jones - Restricted Free Agent
to
  • (LW) Nino Niederreitter - $2,795,000
  • (C) Marty Reasoner - $1,350,000

Why? - Flames get a good young prospect who has struggled in his rookie season as well as a 4th liner that is excellent on faceoffs. Islanders get a good young center that is further along than Nino and has alot of upside as well as a high energy bottom 6 forward.

to
  • (G) Henrik Karlsson - $862,500
to
  • (Pick) 6th in 2013

Why? - Flames get something for a player they no longer have in their plans. Rangers get a good team player to fill the backup role behind Lundqvist.

Re-Signing Players

(C) Olli Jokinen - 5 years @ $3,000,000 million per year
  • Year 1: $4,000,000 (NMC)
  • Year 2: $4,000,000 (NMC)
  • Year 3: $3,000,000 (Limited NTC - can choose 10 teams he can be traded to)
  • Year 4: $2,500,000 (Limited NTC - can choose 10 teams he can not be traded to)
  • Year 5: $1,500,000 (Limited NTC - can choose 10 teams he can not be traded to - expires Jan. 1st)

(D) Mike Green - 5 years @ $5,000,000 per year
  • Year 1: $5,000,000
  • Year 2: $5,000,000 (Limited NTC - can choose 10 teams he can be traded to)
  • Year 3: $5,000,000 (Limited NTC - can choose 10 teams he can be traded to)
  • Year 4: $5,000,000 (Limited NTC - can choose 10 teams he can be traded to)
  • Year 5: $5,000,000 (Limited NTC - can choose 10 teams he can be traded to)

(G) Leland Irving - 2 years @ $750,000 per year
  • Year 1: $650,000
  • Year 2: $850,000

New Free Agent Signings

(D) Niklas Grossman - 5 years @ $4,000,000 per year
  • Year 1: $4,000,000 (Limited NTC - can choose 10 teams he can be traded to)
  • Year 2: $4,000,000 (Limited NTC - can choose 10 teams he can be traded to)
  • Year 3: $4,000,000 (Limited NTC - can choose 10 teams he can be traded to)
  • Year 4: $4,000,000 (Limited NTC - can choose 10 teams he can be traded to)
  • Year 5: $4,000,000 (Limited NTC - can choose 10 teams he can be traded to)

(G) Josh Harding - 2 years @ $3,000,000 per year
  • Year 1: $2,500,000
  • Year 2: $3,500,000

(RW) Jordin Tootoo - 2 years @ $2,500,000 per year
  • Year 1: $2,500,000
  • Year 2: $2,500,000

Free Agent Signings for Abbotsford

(G) Michael Leighton
(RW) Hugh Jessiman
(D) Taylor Chorney

2012-2013 Calgary Flames

Alex Tanguay ($3,500,000) - Matt Stajan ($3,500,000) - Jarome Iginla ($7,000,000)
Curtis Glencross ($2,550,000) - Olli Jokinen ($3,000,000) - Mike Cammalleri ($6,000,000)
Sven Beartschi ($1,456,250) - Joe Colborne ($1,100,000) - Jordin Tootoo ($2,500,000)
Tim Jackman ($612,500) - Marty Reasoner ($1,350,000) - Greg Nemisz ($1,045,833)
Lance Bouma ($693,333)

Jay Bouwmeester ($6,680,000) - Niklas Grossman ($4,000,000)
Chris Butler ($1,250,000) - Mike Green ($5,000,000)
T.J Brodie ($741,666) - Mike Komisarek ($4,500,000)
Derek Smith ($775,000)

Josh Harding ($3,000,000) - Leland Irving ($750,000)

If the Salary Cap does not rise they would still have $3.3 million in cap space.

2012-2013 Abbotsford Heat

Paul Byron - Ben Walter - Krys Kolanos
Ryan Howse - Roman Horak - Jon Rheault (AHL Contract)
Michael Ferland - Max Reinhart - Hugh Jessiman
Carter Bancks - Quintin Laing (AHL Contract) - David Eddy
Turner Elson - Gaelan Patterson

Clay Wilson - Taylor Chorney
Joe Piskula - Christopher Breen
Joey Leach - James Martin


Leighton, Michael - Ortio, Joni

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Trades
Brutal.The guys that should be gone stay. The guys that should be staying are gone. Another year of patching the same tire and hoping it gets you another mile down the road.


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Brutal.The guys that should be gone stay. The guys that should be staying are gone. Another year of patching the same tire and hoping it gets you another mile down the road.

What have you got then?

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Brutal.The guys that should be gone stay. The guys that should be staying are gone. Another year of patching the same tire and hoping it gets you another mile down the road.

Why don't you tell us what you want (aka the point of the thread) versus just bashing other peoples opinion?

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