Wow some of the complete lack of compassion for **** victims on here is somewhat astonishing. I guess that republican congress candidate talking about "Women being able to 'shut down their ovaries' in a **** situation" just goes to show there is a real lack of understanding when it comes to **** by some people.
**** is ****. If it was all three guys at the same time or one after the other it's still a horrible act. If it was one guy ****** her and the other two watching it's still a horrible act.
I'm not going to say whether they are guilty or not, whether the girl is looking for money or not. I'm simply stating my opinion on how **** is being construed/talked about. I personally feel that most sexual acts done to a person against their will are actually worse than physical attacks upon the person and leave a much longer impact on the victim.
The attitude that oh it was someone who might have money so that automatically makes the girl a gold-digger is disappointing. Money has nothing to do with it. A rich person can be a rapist as easily as a poor person can be a rapist. Right now in Taiwan there's a big sex scandal involving some rich kid heir who has a Father worth tens of millions having been a serial date-rapist. Buying expensive drinks for women at clubs and spiking those drinks and having his bodyguards help carry the women to his apartment or hotel rooms.
**** has nothing to do with the financial level of the rapist, the fame of the rapist, or the looks of the rapist.
There may be no **** in this case, but don't diminish such a heinous crime.
Why is it ok for half the posters to call this unidentified girl a **** and say maybe she was just "into that kind of thing"? If you say let's reserve judgement how can you without any hint of irony call the girl a **** in the next sentence?
I'm not sure who you are responding to, but I haven't read anything like that in the thread, except for the one poster who raised the hypothetical scenario of something wild that became public, which isn't completely impossible. It is also possible that this whole thing is as bad as it sounds.
I don't think any of us are in a position to judge either her promiscuity or veracity, or, for that matter, the character of the three young men involved. Wait and see should mean wait and see.
Wow some of the complete lack of compassion for **** victims on here is somewhat astonishing. I guess that republican congress candidate talking about "Women being able to 'shut down their ovaries' in a **** situation" just goes to show there is a real lack of understanding when it comes to **** by some people.
**** is ****. If it was all three guys at the same time or one after the other it's still a horrible act. If it was one guy ****** her and the other two watching it's still a horrible act.
I'm not going to say whether they are guilty or not, whether the girl is looking for money or not. I'm simply stating my opinion on how **** is being construed/talked about. I personally feel that most sexual acts done to a person against their will are actually worse than physical attacks upon the person and leave a much longer impact on the victim.
The attitude that oh it was someone who might have money so that automatically makes the girl a gold-digger is disappointing. Money has nothing to do with it. A rich person can be a rapist as easily as a poor person can be a rapist. Right now in Taiwan there's a big sex scandal involving some rich kid heir who has a Father worth tens of millions having been a serial date-rapist. Buying expensive drinks for women at clubs and spiking those drinks and having his bodyguards help carry the women to his apartment or hotel rooms.
**** has nothing to do with the financial level of the rapist, the fame of the rapist, or the looks of the rapist.
There may be no **** in this case, but don't diminish such a heinous crime.
Except there are times when women lie about it for some reason. I have a friend who's life has been set back several years because a girl lied about ****. After she seduced him, she held a grudge about him not wanting a relationship...two years later she told the university he ***** her (because he was still spurning her; he never let it happen again because he wasn't interested) and he was screwed by a kangaroo court that expelled him, despite her own friends and roommates testifying against her.
Let's wait until we hear all the details before going all ballistic about perceived slights to the dignity of **** victims, or whatever. All we know is that there are accusations and nothing more. She said something happened, and now the police will investigate and hopefully get to the truth of the matter. Just because people aren't automatically assuming guilt doesn't mean they think **** is a petty crime. Nobody is saying "this girl is 100% out for money," they're just saying it's a possibility. And you know what? It is. It's absolutely a possibility.
I don't know what Akin's comments have to do with anything at all, let's not turn this political.
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Some girls are just into stuff like that. . . rumor gets around quickly, she freaks/parents find out their angel is doing something icky and calls the cops. Of course guys can be awful human beings too and take advantage of a girl in a bad situation. I'd have to think things are going to be skewed towards the guys making the bad decision; however, you just never know.
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I think in the end it will be found that they did have sex with this girl at some time but something happen so she cried **** when there was none.
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You know nothing yet, don't presume anything. There are as many really slutty girls covering up embarressing things as there are legitimate sexual assault cases. When a public figure is involved it tends to be the former.
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Do we have any info on what the "sexual assault" actually was? I'm interested because it may not be as bad as people are thinking. As long as it wasn't a gangrape...
Should I go on? The last one is my favorite cause it implies that some ***** aren't that bad.
Mostly these posters but that's just from the last page
Should I go on? The last one is my favorite cause it implies that some ***** aren't that bad.
How did I get lumped in there?
EDIT: Oh, I got a reprieve. I see you were responding to my question--fair enough.
I think, perhaps, that some of these posts are intended to adopt a posture of caution / skepticism--because of just how serious the accusations are--but come across, online, as callous or overly eager to exonerate the accused and indict the victim. It is a bit harder to give other posts the benefit, because they do come across as out-of-line.
I think a fair way to state it is this:
On the one hand, statistically, something like 1 in 4 women (and 1 in 10 men, or something like that) will be the victim of sexual abuse at some point in their life. On the other, there are many, many anecdotal cases of situations which are, essentially, fabricated--for financial reasons, because of grudges or personal concerns, etc. Of course the former is much more common, but that doesn't mean the latter is impossible here.
As Fish pointed out above, if you hang around a college campus long enough, there's a decent chance that you'll see both scenarios occur.
We have the nutshell version of one side of the story--not the full story, and not the evidence. We haven't heard any from the defendants. It seems a bit premature to jump to conclusions either way.
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Mostly these posters but that's just from the last page
Should I go on? The last one is my favorite cause it implies that some ***** aren't that bad.
Ummm. . . not sure what your point was. Please go read my entire comment. I discuss both sides of the matter. So did some of the others. The first person doesn't even know what is going on. I can easily quote whatever I want too to make my point, but at least have the decency to not quote people who aren't making the case for both sides in their posts.
Somewhat related...does anybody remember the incident with the Capitals years ago which involved an accusation of sexual assault (sodomy etc) on a teenage girl in a limo and involved Courtnall and Scott Stevens and some other players? It came out but then never heard anything else.....
Edit: Just found this...they talk about it and Nick Kypreos being involved....and in a weird way to say the least...
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i knew the accuser personally.. she used to figure skate at Fairfax Ice Arena back in the late 80s, early 90s. She was pretty hot and definitely looked older than her age, and she did date Kypreos at some point.
She ended up settling out of court and walked away with a nice 6 figure settlement, then disappeared.
No one was indicted - the grand jury declined to prefer charges against the foursome (particularly after it came out that the accuser had previously dated then-Capital Nick Kypreos and had on at least two occasions lied about her age to get jobs in sports bars).
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The charges were dropped because - though unseemly - it was consentual (as described by her girlfriend in whom she confided after the incident). It was ugly - but she was a puck bunny who had been with caps in the past. I think she tried to proffer charges more out of embarassment or opportunism. But this never even went to trial.
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Having known women who have lied about everything from consent to pregnancy, and having known ex-buddies of mine who did assault women when drunk: Both sides are possible.
It's the justice system's job to tease out the truth and mete out distributive justice (if necessary). Or, what may happen is: Settlement.
I think nik Cousins is innocent yes he had sex with this girl but it was mutual consent and the truth will come out.Cant see a young man with a bright future throwing it away by doing something as stupid as sexual assault.
I think nik Cousins is innocent yes he had sex with this girl but it was mutual consent and the truth will come out.Cant see a young man with a bright future throwing it away by doing something as stupid as sexual assault.
Young testosterone driven guys do dumb things, particularly when they've been drinking. I'm not saying he's guilty, but if I'm Homer I'm definitely disappointed that he would even put himself in this situation considering the bright future that he has/had in front of him.
I think nik Cousins is innocent yes he had sex with this girl but it was mutual consent and the truth will come out.Cant see a young man with a bright future throwing it away by doing something as stupid as sexual assault.
Funny how some already think he did it without knowing any of the facts.
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I think in the end it will be found that they did have sex with this girl at some time but something happen so she cried **** when there was none.
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I think nik Cousins is innocent yes he had sex with this girl but it was mutual consent and the truth will come out.Cant see a young man with a bright future throwing it away by doing something as stupid as sexual assault.
Fastest homer progression in HFBoards history? Cracks me up
I basically want to echo that **** shouldn't be downplayed, and the prevailing notion that women often accuse men of **** when it's not true comes from the same culture where sexual assault happens what too often. Yes, people do lie. But really, more ***** go unreported than made up. For the most part, no one wants the shame and hassle of dealing with doctors, lawyers and cops just for the **** of it.
Everyone has a friend or someone that got accused of **** but didn't do it? Ok. Sure. Men lie too. You're accused of **** and what's your defense gonna be? If they can swab her for your DNA you really have one story to tell, other than te truth.
Men do bad **** to women. Again, this **** accusation myth needs to die.
Really gotta hear the full story first before taking sides. I think its way to premature to choose a side at this present time. Its too easy to get caught up on either side depending on your personal views on this matter. Both sides are correct. In the sports world, it is proven that a lot of girls do go for the money. That being said though, I remember reading that there are things that happen and never get reported till years later that make you shake your head.
On this news, one of the accusers was released (not Cousins but one of the other two). Either he wasn't involved at all, or the case is falling apart.
EDIT: Cant find the link for the last part... I remember 100% reading it. I have to go to work but if someone can find it that would be great.
Really gotta hear the full story first before taking sides. I think its way to premature to choose a side at this present time. Its too easy to get caught up on either side depending on your personal views on this matter. Both sides are correct. In the sports world, it is proven that a lot of girls do go for the money. That being said though, I remember reading that there are things that happen and never get reported till years later that make you shake your head.
On this news, one of the accusers was released (not Cousins but one of the other two). Either he wasn't involved at all, or the case is falling apart.
EDIT: Cant find the link for the last part... I remember 100% reading it. I have to go to work but if someone can find it that would be great.
Petacchio was released on bail. Because he's American, he was held in custody until a bail hearing on Monday, whereas the other two were able to be released on bail immediately.
I basically want to echo that **** shouldn't be downplayed, and the prevailing notion that women often accuse men of **** when it's not true comes from the same culture where sexual assault happens what too often. Yes, people do lie. But really, more ***** go unreported than made up. For the most part, no one wants the shame and hassle of dealing with doctors, lawyers and cops just for the **** of it.
Everyone has a friend or someone that got accused of **** but didn't do it? Ok. Sure. Men lie too. You're accused of **** and what's your defense gonna be? If they can swab her for your DNA you really have one story to tell, other than te truth.
Men do bad **** to women. Again, this **** accusation myth needs to die.
No, it doesn't. In my friend's case, it's no myth at all. It happened.
Men do bad things, yes. Women are equally capable of doing bad things, that's not a myth; it's a fact. In this situation, we don't know yet who's worse.
False accusations do happen. It happened to a friend of mine. It turned out the girl consented, people found out she had sex with him on his buddy's couch and all of a sudden she said it was ****. It freaks me out that some girls use this as a weapon. I'm not saying that's what happened here though.
On a lighter note, I find it hilarious that women get away with so much sexual assault in bars. I've been grabbed by strange women so many times. But yeah, we can't go grabbing. How is that fair?
False accusations do happen. It happened to a friend of mine. It turned out the girl consented, people found out she had sex with him on his buddy's couch and all of a sudden she said it was ****. It freaks me out that some girls use this as a weapon. I'm not saying that's what happened here though.
On a lighter note, I find it hilarious that women get away with so much sexual assault in bars. I've been grabbed by strange women so many times. But yeah, we can't go grabbing. How is that fair?
It's like sexual harassment in the workplace by women.
