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05-24-2012, 10:13 AM
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Spezza to WSH

to WSH:
Spezza

to OTT:
Laich
Johansson
Alzner
WSH 1st

Sens have to retool and they get a young C, young D (just imagine - Karlsson+Alzner would be one of the best young pairs), good versatile player (not old) in Laich, and 16th overall pick.

Caps get a desperately needed #2C.

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Yikes. Washington doesnt touch that.

Also, the Sens aren't rebuilding

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to WSH:
Spezza

to OTT:
Laich
Johansson
Alzner
WSH 1st

Sens have to retool and they get a young C, young D (just imagine - Karlsson+Alzner would be one of the best young pairs), good versatile player (not old) in Laich, and 16th overall pick.

Caps get a desperately needed #2C.
They have one. His name is Spezza.

This is a terrible trade. A young, franchise center for what is essentially a pile of second rate players and a draft pick

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Yeah big no from Caps.

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05-24-2012, 10:20 AM
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Big no from Ottawa.

Creates a bigger hole than it fills.

Don't see why Washington guts their team either.

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They have one. His name is Spezza.

This is a terrible trade. A young, franchise center for what is essentially a pile of second rate players and a draft pick
LOL at "second rate." If you think a 23 year old 1D and a 21 year old 2C are second rate, I don't know what else to tell you. And since when did 28 (29 at the start of next season) count as young? There's no way the Caps make this trade, not when they could get someone like Pavelski or Plekanec for about half of that.

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Value seems good, but Sens have absolutely no reason to do this deal.

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Yeah big no from Caps.
if big no from caps, so how do you dare to demand a decent #2C from GMGM? There are no elite UFA centers this summer. And if you aren't ready to give someone valuable, be happy to have MaJo or MP centering 2nd line.

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if big no from caps, so how do you dare to demand a decent #2C from GMGM? There are no elite UFA centers this summer. And if you aren't ready to give something, be happy to have MaJo or MP centering 2nd line.
Johansson and a 1st for Pavelski. Which 1st is the only sticking point.

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LOL at "second rate." If you think a 23 year old 1D and a 21 year old 2C are second rate, I don't know what else to tell you. And since when did 28 (29 at the start of next season) count as young? There's no way the Caps make this trade, not when they could get someone like Pavelski or Plekanec for about half of that.
Clearly you've never heard of a deal not working for both teams.

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LOL at "second rate." If you think a 23 year old 1D and a 21 year old 2C are second rate, I don't know what else to tell you. And since when did 28 (29 at the start of next season) count as young? There's no way the Caps make this trade, not when they could get someone like Pavelski or Plekanec for about half of that.
By second rate I meant that they are not, and far from being franchise players. I could use 'tier' instead, but the point stands that they are in no way close to Spezza.

And a 28 year old player is still defined young, because he has a decade of good hockey left in him. Just because he isnt 20 years old doesnt make him less valueable, and if you really think a team should trade a late 20's player because he is getting close to 30, im not sure what to tell you either

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Doesn't really make sense for either team

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Not enough for Spezza

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Yikes. Washington doesnt touch that.

Also, the Sens aren't rebuilding
We actually are rebuilding... we just made the playoffs much faster than expected.

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They have one. His name is Spezza.

This is a terrible trade. A young, franchise center for what is essentially a pile of second rate players and a draft pick
Alzner is far from second rate. He's not near Spezza's level, but not second rate at all. Also, I find it funny that in the OP, they offered up the LOWER of their first rounders. LOL

The OP leaves us with Turris as our 1C. As much as I like Turris, he is not a 1C, but could be a very good 2C. This would set us back years. Sens say heck no. Its not as horrid as most Spezza proposals were when they littered this board previously, but its a no go.

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the caps need a 2c. NOT someone else's allstar freaking 1c. the caps have backstrom. spezza will not be getting backstrom's toi and by virtue he becomes overpayed and underplayed and....unhappy.

they need a 2c on a 2c contract that is content with 2c minutes.

frankly johansson is the 2c

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Value seems good, but Sens have absolutely no reason to do this deal.
Jackets also have no reason to trade Nash but they are ready to consider a deal. Although Nash is still defined young.

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Jackets also have no reason to trade Nash but they are ready to consider a deal. Although Nash is still defined young.
Nash asked for a trade. Spezza is happy where he is, and we are happy with him.

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Value seems about right, the logic does not.

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the caps need a 2c. NOT someone else's allstar freaking 1c. the caps have backstrom. spezza will not be getting backstrom's toi and by virtue he becomes overpayed and underplayed and....unhappy.

they need a 2c on a 2c contract that is content with 2c minutes.

frankly johansson is the 2c
Backstrom+Spezza are the same Crosby+Malkin, Datsyuk+Zetterberg or Stamkos+Lecavalier.

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Leaves more holes on Washington's roster than it fills.

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By second rate I meant that they are not, and far from being franchise players. I could use 'tier' instead, but the point stands that they are in no way close to Spezza.

And a 28 year old player is still defined young, because he has a decade of good hockey left in him. Just because he isnt 20 years old doesnt make him less valueable, and if you really think a team should trade a late 20's player because he is getting close to 30, im not sure what to tell you either
Then we have different definitions of young as it relates to hockey players. In my book, a young player is one who's still developing and growing as a player. Spezza is fully developed, so I don't consider him young.

I also never said the Sens should take this trade. I was defending the Caps players and saying this doesn't work for them. I'm not a Sens fan, so I can't speak for their management and say whether or not they'd make the trade.

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We actually are rebuilding... we just made the playoffs much faster than expected.



Alzner is far from second rate. He's not near Spezza's level, but not second rate at all. Also, I find it funny that in the OP, they offered up the LOWER of their first rounders. LOL

The OP leaves us with Turris as our 1C. As much as I like Turris, he is not a 1C, but could be a very good 2C. This would set us back years. Sens say heck no. Its not as horrid as most Spezza proposals were when they littered this board previously, but its a no go.
There is a way to build a NSH-prototype team based on perfect defense. Karlsson+Alzner will be present Weber+Suter in few years. And sens even without Spezza have good offensive depth. NSH haven't Michalek or Alfredsson calibre forwards.

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if big no from caps, so how do you dare to demand a decent #2C from GMGM? There are no elite UFA centers this summer. And if you aren't ready to give someone valuable, be happy to have MaJo or MP centering 2nd line.
Dude, you created this proposal. The guy you responded to didn't demand anything. Not sure how you can get mad at him for saying "no." Especially when it involves trading away 4 solid/very good pieces.

Washington was one game away from the Conference Finals with their current lineup. I think they will gladly hold on to what they have if given the option.

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Alzner is awesome, but not at the expense of our best player.

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Leaves more holes on Washington's roster than it fills.
Don't forget about current huge holes. No #2C, no secondary scoring winger. Spezza trade is the most powerful argument to re-sign Semin, who's tired to waste best career years playing without decent playmaker. No Spezza (or another good C) - no Semin - no secondary scoring at all. Laich and Johansson are replaceable. Alzner is hard to replace - that's true. But a UFA shutdown D like Hal Gill would help.

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