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05-28-2012, 12:10 AM
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I could see something like

To Washington:
Iginla

To Calgary:
Semin's rights
Liach
Colorado's first (11th overall)
Wouldn't be opposed to that tbh.

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05-28-2012, 12:23 AM
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I could see something like

To Washington:
Iginla

To Calgary:
Semin's rights
Liach
Colorado's first (11th overall)
Semin's rights have little to no value, and if the doesn't sign in Calgary then the deal is Laich + Colorado's pick for Iginla. That's not quite enough. A conditional pick would need to be added in case Semin doesn't sign.

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Semin's rights have little to no value, and if the doesn't sign in Calgary then the deal is Laich + Colorado's pick for Iginla. That's not quite enough. A conditional pick would need to be added in case Semin doesn't sign.
I don't like it.
If guys at the deadline that are at BEST 2nd liners are worth first rounders, Jerome; an annual all-star, Canadian Olympic stud, one of the real "good guys" of the league and overall leader I hope is worth much more than a first round pick and a guy who's almost 30 years old, along with the rights of a guy who at the end might not even sign.

IF, and that's a massive if, because in my heart of hearts, I want it to happen, but I know it never will... Iggy's traded I'd be hoping for a first, top prospect & young top six forward (with upside of being a potential first liner).
More than likely Iggy spends the next 4-5 years in Calgary, with ~5 million dollar (and then lower if another is signed) contracts until he retires with two C's on his jersey.

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05-28-2012, 01:09 AM
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I could see something like

To Washington:
Iginla

To Calgary:
Semin's rights
Liach
Colorado's first (11th overall)
Close on the value, but Semin's rights only matter if we want him. I think he catches a bit of a bum rap, but I wouldn't want to give him the cash and term he's likely to get as the second best offensive UFA this year.

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05-28-2012, 01:11 AM
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I don't like it.
If guys at the deadline that are at BEST 2nd liners are worth first rounders, Jerome; an annual all-star, Canadian Olympic stud, one of the real "good guys" of the league and overall leader I hope is worth much more than a first round pick and a guy who's almost 30 years old, along with the rights of a guy who at the end might not even sign.

IF, and that's a massive if, because in my heart of hearts, I want it to happen, but I know it never will... Iggy's traded I'd be hoping for a first, top prospect & young top six forward (with upside of being a potential first liner).
More than likely Iggy spends the next 4-5 years in Calgary, with ~5 million dollar (and then lower if another is signed) contracts until he retires with two C's on his jersey.
That will never happen. Iginla is a 7 million dollar hit, so you're asking people to trade 7 million in cap space as well as all of those assets. In a straight up futures trade the most we can hope for is a solid prospect and a mid-round 1st.

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05-28-2012, 01:19 AM
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That will never happen. Iginla is a 7 million dollar hit, so you're asking people to trade 7 million in cap space as well as all of those assets. In a straight up futures trade the most we can hope for is a solid prospect and a mid-round 1st.
I completely disagree, that is the minimum return we should expect.

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I completely disagree, that is the minimum return we should expect.
Value is subjective. I disagree, but that's ok. At this stage in his career Iginla is a defensive liability and a big cap hit. I'm betting GM's would pay more for Giordano than they would Iginla.

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Value is subjective. I disagree, but that's ok. At this stage in his career Iginla is a defensive liability and a big cap hit. I'm betting GM's would pay more for Giordano than they would Iginla.
This isn't true and you seem to undervalue much of this team.

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05-28-2012, 02:56 AM
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Does Washington work for an Iggy trade?

I dont think Wash would be willing to give up the pieces necessary to acquire Iginla. I think it would cost them at least:

Johansson
RFA rights to Carlson or Green
11th Overall

They may even need to throw in Semin's rights, and I dont think they would give up that much of their future. On the flipside, I'm not sure that would be enough for Calgary. If Feaster doesnt get an immediate return, plus some serious futures for Iggy, he'll be tarred and feathered here in Calgary.

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05-28-2012, 03:44 AM
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I dont think Wash would be willing to give up the pieces necessary to acquire Iginla. I think it would cost them at least:

Johansson
RFA rights to Carlson or Green
11th Overall

They may even need to throw in Semin's rights, and I dont think they would give up that much of their future. On the flipside, I'm not sure that would be enough for Calgary. If Feaster doesnt get an immediate return, plus some serious futures for Iggy, he'll be tarred and feathered here in Calgary.
That's an overpayment for sure.

Cody Eakin
Dmitri Orlov
16th Overall

Is what I would be looking at from the capitals.

To me the New York Rangers would be the best place for Jarome to go.

Michael Del Zotto
Artem Anisimov
2nd Round Pick

Those are the two packages I would personally aim for.

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That's an overpayment for sure.

Cody Eakin
Dmitri Orlov
16th Overall

Is what I would be looking at from the capitals.

To me the New York Rangers would be the best place for Jarome to go.

Michael Del Zotto
Artem Anisimov
2nd Round Pick

Those are the two packages I would personally aim for.
I actually think he is pretty close to bang on for a caps offer. 1st rounder, good prospect, good but overpaid roster player as a cap dump.

also the caps won't be picking 16th (I think it will be 20th) as they advanced past the 1st round of the playoffs.

the seeding for picks goes as follows:

- 1st to 14th, reverse order of overall standings (the lottery can change the order slightly as well as we know)
- then teams eliminated 1st round that weren't division winners
- then teams eliminated 2nd round that weren't division winners
- then division winners that are eliminated in rounds 1 and 2 (This may actually be down a step further, but I think its here)
- 27th & 28ththen teams eliminated in conference finals
- 29th, Stanley Cup finalist
- 30th, Stanley Cup winner

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I actually think he is pretty close to bang on for a caps offer. 1st rounder, good prospect, good but overpaid roster player as a cap dump.

also the caps won't be picking 16th (I think it will be 20th) as they advanced past the 1st round of the playoffs.

the seeding for picks goes as follows:

- 1st to 14th, reverse order of overall standings (the lottery can change the order slightly as well as we know)
- then teams eliminated 1st round that weren't division winners
- then teams eliminated 2nd round that weren't division winners
- then division winners that are eliminated in rounds 1 and 2 (This may actually be down a step further, but I think its here)
- 27th & 28ththen teams eliminated in conference finals
- 29th, Stanley Cup finalist
- 30th, Stanley Cup winner
Yes, your correct. I actually forgot Washington advanced to round two

I agree with your perception of the value
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1st rounder, good prospect, good but overpaid roster player as a cap dump)
But I dont see how the proposal he offered suites that criteria.

1st round pick - Yes, ok. But 11th is probably the highest we could expect. No bottom 10 team will trade a 1st++ for an aging star player such as Iginla.
Marcus Johansson - Established top six player at the age of 22, coming off a 46 point season. Not a prospect.
Carlson/Green - Both are top four defender's, and can by no means be viewed as a cap dump in the slightest. These players hold considerable value.

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Yes, your correct. I actually forgot Washington advanced to round two

I agree with your perception of the value


But I dont see how the proposal he offered suites that criteria.

1st round pick - Yes, ok. But 11th is probably the highest we could expect. No bottom 10 team will trade a 1st++ for an aging star player such as Iginla.
Marcus Johansson - Established top six player at the age of 22, coming off a 46 point season. Not a prospect.
Carlson/Green - Both are top four defender's, and can by no means be viewed as a cap dump in the slightest. These players hold considerable value.
Johansson just finished his rookie season, he has not established anything. He is essentially a prospect.

Green with his injuries and $5 million qualifying offer could easily be seen as a cap dump. Lupul was seen as a cap dump after a 25 goal season and again after some injury problems

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For Gormely and Lombardi ?

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I could see something like

To Washington:
Iginla

To Calgary:
Semin's rights
Liach
Colorado's first (11th overall)
No way we get that, frankly I know Semin will just go to the KHL. and ******* us over so I would rather try for

Was Iginla
Stajan

CGY 11th overall (COL)
Laich
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To me the New York Rangers would be the best place for Jarome to go.

Michael Del Zotto
Artem Anisimov
2nd Round Pick
Change the 2nd to a 1st and I think you're very close. I cant see any deal involving Jarome that doesnt include a 1st rd pick coming to the Flames.

Something to consider too, is that any team getting him will be overpaying to some degree. The Flames arent in a position where they have to trade him. This is such a sensitive issue in Calgary, that it has to be a definite win for the Flames. Or at the very least look that way

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That's an overpayment for sure.

Cody Eakin
Dmitri Orlov
16th Overall

Is what I would be looking at from the capitals.

To me the New York Rangers would be the best place for Jarome to go.

Michael Del Zotto
Artem Anisimov
2nd Round Pick

Those are the two packages I would personally aim for.
Good proposals and your value is spot on, but the NYR won't move MDZ. That was a no-go from Sather in their push to get Nash.

Personally, I also doubt he is available, but if I'm trading Iginla to the Rangers my target would be Stepan. Stepan may never become that elite #1C, but he would instantly be our topline C and he will likely get to being a 70pt player.

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I actually think he is pretty close to bang on for a caps offer. 1st rounder, good prospect, good but overpaid roster player as a cap dump.

also the caps won't be picking 16th (I think it will be 20th) as they advanced past the 1st round of the playoffs.

the seeding for picks goes as follows:

- 1st to 14th, reverse order of overall standings (the lottery can change the order slightly as well as we know)
- then teams eliminated 1st round that weren't division winners
- then teams eliminated 2nd round that weren't division winners

- then division winners that are eliminated in rounds 1 and 2 (This may actually be down a step further, but I think its here)
- 27th & 28ththen teams eliminated in conference finals
- 29th, Stanley Cup finalist
- 30th, Stanley Cup winner
I thought this is how the draft order was determined as well, but according to nhl.com it is not. (referring to the bold)

According to their description, it doesn't matter whether a team gets knocked out in the first or second round - all of those teams get ranked according to regular season standings.

Therefore, Washington would in fact pick 16th.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=425557

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I thought this is how the draft order was determined as well, but according to nhl.com it is not. (referring to the bold)

According to their description, it doesn't matter whether a team gets knocked out in the first or second round - all of those teams get ranked according to regular season standings.

Therefore, Washington would in fact pick 16th.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=425557
the NHL dumbs it down on their site. the way they determine who drafts where has not changed and looking at last year Philly and Washington were bounced in round 1 after being division winners and they picked 25th and 26th.

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the NHL dumbs it down on their site. the way they determine who drafts where has not changed and looking at last year Philly and Washington were bounced in round 1 after being division winners and they picked 25th and 26th.
because they were division winners

read it again

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because they were division winners

read it again
Read something current?

http://flames.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=632358

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Here's the order as of now. We don't know the how the final four picks will play out, but for fans wondering, the Kings and Coyotes will pick either No. 27, 29 or 30; the Devils and Rangers can pick No. 28, 29 or 30.

1. Edmonton
2. Columbus
3. Montreal
4. N.Y. Islanders
5. Toronto
6. Anaheim
7. Minnesota
8. Carolina
9. Winnipeg
10. Tampa Bay
11. Washington (from Colorado)
12. Buffalo
13. Dallas
14. Calgary
15. Ottawa
16. Washington
17. San Jose
18. Chicago
19. Tampa Bay (from Detroit)
20. Philadelphia
21. Buffalo (from Nashville)
22. Pittsburgh
23. Florida
24. Boston
25. St. Louis
26. Vancouver
27. Conference finals loser (Phoenix)
28. Conference finals loser (Rangers)
29. Stanley Cup Final loser
30. Stanley Cup champion

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^ which confirms my post

don't know if the 'current' comment was directed at me, but the rules don't change every year.

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because they were division winners

read it again
the problem isn't my reading, its that I forgot that it was Florida that won the division.

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This isn't true and you seem to undervalue much of this team.
We finish 13th in the west at best without Kipper. Many posters on this site vastly overrate the return we could get on Iginla and Bouwmeester in particular. If you think Iginla is not a defensive liability you don't know anything about hockey or have some severe homer glasses. His coach certainly thought he was.

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