Why do I have to keep explaining this?
the ducks did not have the money at the time to re-sign him, based on the composition of the roster
I'm not so sure about this. Wasn't it post Pronger trade? I find it hard to believe there was no cap room after moving that $6M contract.
And either way, the dude was never even offered a contract. Not even low balled. If Bob liked him enough to trade a former 1st round pick, he could have made some room.
Why do I have to keep explaining this?
the ducks did not have the money at the time to re-sign him, based on the composition of the roster
They easily could have afforded him if they wanted to. Murray paid Eminger & Boynton a combined $2.6M that year to be the 6th/7th defenseman and Artyukhin $1.1M to be the 13th forward. Being a bit smarter about how much he paid scrubs would have gone a long way to keeping Beauchemin that offseason. The fact that Murray didn't even offer him a contract indicates he wanted to move on.
I'm pissed The Ducks didn't trade Schultz+2011 first for Beauch+
It wouldn't have cost that much. The Leafs really wanted either Schultz or Gardiner and the only way the Ducks would do it is if the Leafs took the bad contract of Lupul.
So odds are it would have been Schultz and Lupul for Beauchemin.
It wouldn't have cost that much. The Leafs really wanted either Schultz or Gardiner and the only way the Ducks would do it is if the Leafs took the bad contract of Lupul.
So odds are it would have been Schultz and Lupul for Beauchemin.
Notice the plus? Maybe Schultz+Lupul+2011 first would have gotten us Beauch+Toronto 2012 first. Probably not... But still can't believe we traded the wrong prospect. . Gardiner would have had no choice BUT to play for us.
also too bad they didn't take the bad contract of Blake instead.
Notice the plus? Maybe Schultz+Lupul+2011 first would have gotten us Beauch+Toronto 2012 first. Probably not... But still can't believe we traded the wrong prospect. . Gardiner would have had no choice BUT to play for us.
also too bad they didn't take the bad contract of Blake instead.
If he wanted to, Gardiner could have walked, too. The Rangers were worried that would happen when Kreider left school.
If he wanted to, Gardiner could have walked, too. The Rangers were worried that would happen when Kreider left school.
Gardiner would've had to play out this year in Wisconsin, and then wait until August 15th, but yes he could've. Indications were, though, that he would've signed with us. Then again, indications were Schultz would too.
They easily could have afforded him if they wanted to. Murray paid Eminger & Boynton a combined $2.6M that year to be the 6th/7th defenseman and Artyukhin $1.1M to be the 13th forward. Being a bit smarter about how much he paid scrubs would have gone a long way to keeping Beauchemin that offseason. The fact that Murray didn't even offer him a contract indicates he wanted to move on.
Those were all short term deals.
Beauch wanted a 3-4 year deal, the Ducks at that time had Niedermayer and Whitney/Wizniewski both were solid in the post-season that year.
We needed a 2nd line center and more forward depth
Beauch was coming off a serious knee injury, it's pretty risky to give him a 4 year deal when you needed to get a no.2 center
people here re-write history way to much
Those were all short term deals.
Beauch wanted a 3-4 year deal, the Ducks at that time had Niedermayer and Whitney/Wizniewski both were solid in the post-season that year.
We needed a 2nd line center and more forward depth
Beauch was coming off a serious knee injury, it's pretty risky to give him a 4 year deal when you needed to get a no.2 center
people here re-write history way to much
Beauch only signed a 3 year deal and we were the ones that paid him half of it in the end anyway. And was thinking Wiz and Whitney would be able to step up and handle the loss of not only Beauchemin but Pronger also not a huge mistake by Murray?
The knee injury was irrelevant, he came back and played extremely well, he was our third best defenseman in the Detroit series.
And was thinking Wiz and Whitney would be able to step up and handle the loss of not only Beauchemin but Pronger also not a huge mistake by Murray?
Exactly.
People forget Beachemin led the entire Anaheim team in TOI/g in the 2007 playoffs en route to that cup (with a broken jaw too). More minutes per game than Pronger and Niedermayer. Not trying to say he is better than two HOFers, but expecting those Wiz and Whitney to replace two 30 minute defensemen was wishful thinking by Murray, no matter how Wiz/Whitney played in the playoffs.
Those were all short term deals.
Beauch wanted a 3-4 year deal, the Ducks at that time had Niedermayer and Whitney/Wizniewski both were solid in the post-season that year.
We needed a 2nd line center and more forward depth
Beauch was coming off a serious knee injury, it's pretty risky to give him a 4 year deal when you needed to get a no.2 center
people here re-write history way to much
The only person re-writing history here is you. There was room enough for Beauchemin. Murray simply gambled that Wisniewski would be able to replace him, and for cheaper. This comes back to Murray projecting players into roles they aren't necessarily cut out for, and by cutting costs where ever he can. Face it. Murray wanted the same product for a bargain price.
Murray didn't even offer him a contract. This wasn't a case of just not being able to bid enough to hold on to a UFA. Had that been the case, I could understand it, but to not even make the effort? Anaheim had the inside track on Franky, and they probably get him for less than he ultimately signed for in Toronto. Beauchemin made it clear he wanted to be here, and Murray had other plans. So, here we are now...
If Murray valued Beauchemin enough to trade for him to solidify our blue line, after struggles in Toronto, he had even -more- reason to value him enough to at least offer him a reasonable contract then.
Beauch only signed a 3 year deal and we were the ones that paid him half of it in the end anyway. And was thinking Wiz and Whitney would be able to step up and handle the loss of not only Beauchemin but Pronger also not a huge mistake by Murray?
The knee injury was irrelevant, he came back and played extremely well, he was our third best defenseman in the Detroit series.
Anaheim was trying to offset the defensive losses by adding offense in the form of Koivu and Lupul(Lupul was the one in Beauch's salary slot anyways) and it may have worked if Lupul didn't have that bizarre injury, as he was just starting to play his best hockey for us then
The only person re-writing history here is you. There was room enough for Beauchemin. Murray simply gambled that Wisniewski would be able to replace him, and for cheaper. This comes back to Murray projecting players into roles they aren't necessarily cut out for, and by cutting costs where ever he can. Face it. Murray wanted the same product for a bargain price.
Murray didn't even offer him a contract. This wasn't a case of just not being able to bid enough to hold on to a UFA. Had that been the case, I could understand it, but to not even make the effort? Anaheim had the inside track on Franky, and they probably get him for less than he ultimately signed for in Toronto. Beauchemin made it clear he wanted to be here, and Murray had other plans. So, here we are now...
If Murray valued Beauchemin enough to trade for him to solidify our blue line, after struggles in Toronto, he had even -more- reason to value him enough to at least offer him a reasonable contract then.
Once again it was well believed at the time, Beauch wanted to go back east and Anaheim couldn't afford him anyways, they added the contracts of Lupul, Koivu, Wiz and Whitney and had only shedded Pronger, Kunitz and Beauch, while knowing they were going to give Ryan a substantial raise they tried to balance the team better, unfortunately it didn't work out
It wouldn't have cost that much. The Leafs really wanted either Schultz or Gardiner and the only way the Ducks would do it is if the Leafs took the bad contract of Lupul.
So odds are it would have been Schultz and Lupul for Beauchemin.
There's his first mistake. Lupul's contract is good. A bad contract was Blake. If you hold bargaining power, you move towards what you want/need.
Why do I have to keep explaining this?
the ducks did not have the money at the time to re-sign him, based on the composition of the roster
Because quite simply that's wrong. I went over those numbers several times in a different thread and the Ducks could have easily re-signed him. Instead money was waisted on ****** players that year (R2, hedican, Boynton, Eminger, etc...) Murray simply put too much faith in unproven players. I don't remember one rumor about Beauch wanting to go back east. The feeling here was that he was going to price his way out of town, and when he signed for 3.8 million, many here were baffled at why we wouldn't sign him for that much. I know there's a chance that he was just saying it, but Beauchemin repeatedly said that he wanted to stay in Anaheim all along. He said it going into that offseason, he said it in his press conference with Toronto after signing, and he said it when he was traded back to here. Murray simply thought too much of bad players. Yeah he wanted to help the offense, but he left a giant hole in the defense in the process, and he filled the roster with a ton of unproven players. One of the worst offseasons we've ever had IMO.
Because quite simply that's wrong. I went over those numbers several times in a different thread and the Ducks could have easily re-signed him. Instead money was waisted on ****** players that year (R2, hedican, Boynton, Eminger, etc...) Murray simply put too much faith in unproven players. I don't remember one rumor about Beauch wanting to go back east. The feeling here was that he was going to price his way out of town, and when he signed for 3.8 million, many here were baffled at why we wouldn't sign him for that much. I know there's a chance that he was just saying it, but Beauchemin repeatedly said that he wanted to stay in Anaheim all along. He said it going into that offseason, he said it in his press conference with Toronto after signing, and he said it when he was traded back to here. Murray simply thought too much of bad players. Yeah he wanted to help the offense, but he left a giant hole in the defense in the process, and he filled the roster with a ton of unproven players. One of the worst offseasons we've ever had IMO.
You're going over numbers for ONE year deals, sure Beauch woulda been great on a short term deal at 3-4 million dollars but that's not what he wanted to get, you throw out all those role players and don't factor in the contracts Perry, Getzlaf, Whitney(Lubo) Wiz had, then what Koivu, Hiller, and Bobby Ryan would later command , WITH Lupul's contract not yet shedded.
I remember that time period everyone knew we needed to get more offense up front, and we had to sacrifice some defense, I also recall many duck fans favorably viewing letting Beauch go and now many of you are creating a revisionist history
You're going over numbers for ONE year deals, sure Beauch woulda been great on a short term deal at 3-4 million dollars but that's not what he wanted to get, you throw out all those role players and don't factor in the contracts Perry, Getzlaf, Whitney(Lubo) Wiz had, then what Koivu, Hiller, and Bobby Ryan would later command , WITH Lupul's contract not yet shedded.
I remember that time period everyone knew we needed to get more offense up front, and we had to sacrifice some defense, I also recall many duck fans favorably viewing letting Beauch go and now many of you are creating a revisionist history
IMO, losing Chris Pronger was a big enough sacrifice on defense. Letting Beauch walk was plain stupid.
We should just pull up some old threads and settle this now.
Many thought it was going to be wise to let him walk because they thought he'd get at least 4.5 in FA. When he signed for 3.8, many were saying we should have signed him for that. I for one was saying that I could live with letting him go IF Murray started the season with FOUR top 4 defenseman, he didn't do that. I thought we should have re-signed Beauchemin once I discovered what he got from TO.
I disagree about the length being an issue as well. At the contract that he wouldn't have been a problem, Murray realized this and tried filling that hole immediately after his bargain bin shopping failed miserably.
The issue was not specifically about Beauchemin. It was him leaving a giant hole in the defense and going with unproven players to fill it. This huge mistake made him have to trade a great asset to fix when the hole should never have been there in the first place. The fact that it was Beauchemin is just a coincidence.
Once again it was well believed at the time, Beauch wanted to go back east and Anaheim couldn't afford him anyways, they added the contracts of Lupul, Koivu, Wiz and Whitney and had only shedded Pronger, Kunitz and Beauch, while knowing they were going to give Ryan a substantial raise they tried to balance the team better, unfortunately it didn't work out
Believed by whom? Beauchemin certainly didn't say anything about that. In fact, he said he liked it in Anaheim, and said he was disappointed when Murray didn't offer him a contract.
As for Anaheim being unable to afford him, how does that work when you don't even give him an opportunity to turn down a contract?
Many thought it was going to be wise to let him walk because they thought he'd get at least 4.5 in FA. When he signed for 3.8, many were saying we should have signed him for that. I for one was saying that I could live with letting him go IF Murray started the season with FOUR top 4 defenseman, he didn't do that. I thought we should have re-signed Beauchemin once I discovered what he got from TO.
I disagree about the length being an issue as well. At the contract that he wouldn't have been a problem, Murray realized this and tried filling that hole immediately after his bargain bin shopping failed miserably.
The issue was not specifically about Beauchemin. It was him leaving a giant hole in the defense and going with unproven players to fill it. This huge mistake made him have to trade a great asset to fix when the hole should never have been there in the first place. The fact that it was Beauchemin is just a coincidence.
Exactly. I think the focus is getting put too much on the Beauchemin dispute. There were plenty who were okay with letting him walk, if the money wasn't right. That being said, I don't understand Murray not making an offer. It's one thing if Beauchemin turns down a reasonable contract, to take more somewhere else, but to just not make an attempt?
Still, that's only part of the issue. The bigger issue is not that Beauchemin wasn't offered a contract, but that Murray let him go and then failed to fill the hole that was created by the absence. Not only did that impact the team's performance, but then Murray had to spend valuable assets to try to fix the problem mid-season.
. Gardiner would have had no choice BUT to play for us.
