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06-28-2012, 02:30 PM
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So to you, the league is only full of players like Lucic and players like the Sedins? Absolutely no middle ground?

Once again, you can be a powerforward, you can be physical, you can crush people without being reckless.
That's the player you described. Lucic is not a reckless player but he does play with no fear.

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I believe there was one I had a problem with, but it wasn't even close to some of the things Lucic has done.

Phaneuf has actually been called one of the cleanest open-ice hitters in the league by many analysts, and people close to the league. If I remember correctly, some of his hits were part of the video package showing teams this year how hits should be made.

Hitting hard does not equal recklessness. The main reckless problem Phaneuf has is leaving his position to make the hits, not the hits themselves.
I haven't seen anything about rankings of cleanest hitters but whatever. Either way those big open ice hits put the player he's hitting at risk of injury so by your definition he is reckless.

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So to you, the league is only full of players like Lucic and players like the Sedins? Absolutely no middle ground?

Once again, you can be a powerforward, you can be physical, you can crush people without being reckless.
Lucic has been suspended two games in his ENTIRE career.

Please explain to me why I would want Lucic to not be "reckless," if thats what he is. Lucic is at his best when hes "reckless," should Chiarelli and Julien tell him to stop? I can hear it now..."Hey Milan, I know physicality and intimidation is a gigantic part of your game, and youve been disciplined for two games your entire career, but I really think you should stop what youre doing because you could hurt someone...even tho you havent really, and typically stay within the rules....erghhh...ummm, just do it, please."

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Your example references an illegal activity. Lucic, for the majority of his career, has playd within the rules. Does he come close to the line - sure. I can think of many other players who come just as close, more often. Lucic plays a physical brand of hockey and also has skills to score.

You can reference Cooke all you want. How about I point to the games where Lucic isn't as physical - he is clearly not as valuable when he isn't out there aggressive. It is how he plays. It is the point of a power forward. He isn't a flashy Seguin type finesse player. He is a power forward.

Go watch baseball.
Once again, power forward does not equal reckless player.

Ok, so if the company only did that human hotdog thing 4 times in 5 years, and other times there wasn't enough evidence or there was a loophole, then it would be fine.

Or how about Dolphins. Let us grind up some Dolphins. Is that illegal? Or dogs? Or disease-filled meat, since both that and Lucic would be endangering lives.

Go watch UFC.

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Lucic has been suspended two games in his ENTIRE career.

Please explain to me why I would want Lucic to not be "reckless," if thats what he is. Lucic is at his best when hes "reckless," should Chiarelli and Julien tell him to stop? I can hear it now..."Hey Milan, I know physicality and intimidation is a gigantic part of your game, and youve been disciplined for two games your entire career, but I really think you should stop what youre doing because you could hurt someone...even tho you havent really, and typically stay within the rules....erghhh...ummm, just do it, please."
I think they might have to tell Chara to slow down that 108 mph slapper too because we sure as hell know that it endangers anyone on the ice.

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I am not a Buffalo fan either, but I find it quite humourous that this is the second team you thought I was a fan of because all these fans hate Lucic.
actually my 1st and only guess .. but sure Im pissed at Rinaldo and Cooke and Jones all them injured a Bruin but this Hockey dude and the game is so much faster then it use to be .... Does everyone watching you at work ? then do you always have to answer for your mistakes or accidents ... Sounds to me that you never put yourself in other peoples shoes before opening your mouth ... harsh but that how your coming across..

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I think they might have to tell Chara to slow down that 108 mph slapper too because we sure as hell know that it endangers anyone on the ice.
Theres a difference between a hard slapper and a "reckless" slapper, Chara can certainly still be as effective if he tones it down a little bit. 100+ is too reckless, need to be like 70 - 75, otherwise it would endanger everyone else.

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I did it because posters kept guessing and instead of saying I'm a leafs fan you just dodge it. There is obvious tension between the fan bases and an obvious bias is just that.
Why is there a bias between Leaf fans and Lucic?

There is no bias, so your frantic attempts to expose me or whatever you were trying to do was pointless.

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I did it because posters kept guessing and instead of saying I'm a leafs fan you just dodge it. There is obvious tension between the fan bases and an obvious bias is just that.
He was dodging it because he didn't want anybody to look up a player on his team that has more suspension games than Lucic.

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Once again, power forward does not equal reckless player.

Ok, so if the company only did that human hotdog thing 4 times in 5 years, and other times there wasn't enough evidence or there was a loophole, then it would be fine.

Or how about Dolphins. Let us grind up some Dolphins. Is that illegal? Or dogs? Or disease-filled meat, since both that and Lucic would be endangering lives.

Go watch UFC.
Are you really comparing a reckless play in a contact sport to a food company putting human body parts in their food?

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actually my 1st and only guess .. but sure Im pissed at Rinaldo and Cooke and Jones all them injured a Bruin but this Hockey dude and the game is so much faster then it use to be .... Does everyone watching you at work ? then do you always have to answer for your mistakes or accidents ... Sounds to me that you never put yourself in other peoples shoes before opening your mouth ... harsh but that how your coming across..
Ah, it was somebody else guessing then, my mistake.

I don't endanger people with my mistakes at work.

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He was dodging it because he didn't want anybody to look up a player on his team that has more suspension games than Lucic.
Lol, actually that didn't even cross my mind, and I really don't care if you find one. I don't think you will find somebody who has been suspended twice and fined twice and did other dangerous acts countless other times anyway.

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Once again, power forward does not equal reckless player.

Ok, so if the company only did that human hotdog thing 4 times in 5 years, and other times there wasn't enough evidence or there was a loophole, then it would be fine.

Or how about Dolphins. Let us grind up some Dolphins. Is that illegal? Or dogs? Or disease-filled meat, since both that and Lucic would be endangering lives.

Go watch UFC.
Clarke MacArthur has been suspended more games than Lucic in their careers. Hmm. I wonder if Lucic isn't as dangerous as you try to make him out to be? Could it be?

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Lucic has been suspended two games in his ENTIRE career.

Please explain to me why I would want Lucic to not be "reckless," if thats what he is. Lucic is at his best when hes "reckless," should Chiarelli and Julien tell him to stop? I can hear it now..."Hey Milan, I know physicality and intimidation is a gigantic part of your game, and youve been disciplined for two games your entire career, but I really think you should stop what youre doing because you could hurt someone...even tho you havent really, and typically stay within the rules....erghhh...ummm, just do it, please."
He shouldve had about ten games more for the miller hit

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Lol, actually that didn't even cross my mind, and I really don't care if you find one. I don't think you will find somebody who has been suspended twice and fined twice and did other dangerous acts countless other times anyway.
MacArthur was suspended more games this season than Lucic has his entire career. Same with Brown last season. Stats are fun.

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He shouldve had about ten games more for the miller hit
Apparently the NHL doesn't agree with you.

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Theres a difference between a hard slapper and a "reckless" slapper, Chara can certainly still be as effective if he tones it down a little bit. 100+ is too reckless, need to be like 70 - 75, otherwise it would endanger everyone else.
A better comparison would not be telling Chara to slow down his slapper, it would be telling Chara not to purposefully target people in the head with it.

Funny you mention Chara too. He in fact is extremely careful with his slapshot, because he knows the possible ramifications. He was also very remorseful when he drove Pacioretty into the side of the boards, which was more of a design flaw in the rink than intent. A great player, and great person.

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He shouldve had about ten games more for the miller hit
you forgot to add IMO

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Lol, actually that didn't even cross my mind, and I really don't care if you find one. I don't think you will find somebody who has been suspended twice and fined twice and did other dangerous acts countless other times anyway.
Frankly, you are making yourself sound like a p****.

"Oh Lucic is so big and mean I hope he dosen't hurt my team."

"Dangerous Acts..." you make it sound like Lucic is swallowing fire on the ice or juggling knives.

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A better comparison would not be telling Chara to slow down his slapper, it would be telling Chara not to purposefully target people in the head with it.

Funny you mention Chara too. He in fact is extremely careful with his slapshot, because he knows the possible ramifications. He was also very remorseful when he drove Pacioretty into the side of the boards, which was more of a design flaw in the rink than intent. A great player, and great person.
I bet you if Lucic did anything that serious he would be remorseful as well, people actually think hes a great guy off the ice.

Name me something Lucic has done where he should shown remorse? Remember, this isn't figure skating.

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MacArthur was suspended more games this season than Lucic has his entire career. Same with Brown last season. Stats are fun.
Lol, with a hit that wasn't intentional and wasn't even suspendable by the rules, in a play where the Detroit player dove. Oh, and its only more if you include preseason games. Great example.

Obviously ignoring facts are fun for you too.

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Gaborik Boyle Del Zotto to Bruins for Lucic McQuaid and Marchand.....


Only if Rangers get to sign Schultz.....Del Zotto gets dealt...

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gaborik boyle del zotto to bruins for lucic mcquaid and marchand.....


Only if rangers get to sign schultz.....del zotto gets dealt...
no chance.

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Lol, with a hit that wasn't intentional and wasn't even suspendable by the rules, in a play where the Detroit player dove. Oh, and its only more if you include preseason games. Great example.

Obviously ignoring facts are fun for you too.
Right...he dove, so he got 3 games for a headshot.

Only more if you include preseason games? Do they not play hockey in preseason or something? Do players decide...well I'm gonna play like a dick, but I'll get my act together before opening night.

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Right...he dove, so he got 3 games for a headshot.

Only more if you include preseason games? Do they not play hockey in preseason or something? Do players decide...well I'm gonna play like a dick, but I'll get my act together before opening night.
compan - don't you know that players are immortal in the preseason? nothing can happen to them and they can't be endangered.

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