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06-09-2012, 04:49 PM
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None of these has a positive impact for the ducks.. So they took the road that makes them look the best.. Bash the kids character..

Well it is a character issue. Not because this is a Ducks problem. This behaviour would be a disgrace for any NHL franchise.

And BTW. BM can't be blamed with losing Schultz. He can be blamed however for trading Gardiner when there was absolutely no need to.

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06-09-2012, 04:58 PM
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Well it is a character issue. Not because this is a Ducks problem. This behaviour would be a disgrace for any NHL franchise.

And BTW. BM can't be blamed with losing Schultz. He can be blamed however for trading Gardiner when there was absolutely no need to.
Imagine the defense without Beauchemin...

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06-09-2012, 05:00 PM
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Imagine the defense without Beauchemin...
Not arguing about Beauch...just we shouldn't have traded Gardiner. Burke wanted Schultz. How dumb is it to trade the guy have actually have signed for a guy who has given only a verbal agreement?

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Not arguing about Beauch...just we shouldn't have traded Gardiner. Burke wanted Schultz. How dumb is it to trade the guy have actually have signed for a guy who has given only a verbal agreement?
Both players were not signed. And Schultz indicated he wanted to play for the Ducks. Hindsight is 20/20.

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Both players were not signed. And Schultz indicated he wanted to play for the Ducks. Hindsight is 20/20.
Sigh, you're probably right.

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And maybe Schultz has a family member who reads HF and has seen the way you guys have been talking about him for the last two months and passed your sentiments along to him.

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It'll be interesting to see if Schultz says anything about why he decided to leave Anaheim when it's all said and done.

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06-09-2012, 06:10 PM
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It'll be interesting to see if Schultz says anything about why he decided to leave Anaheim when it's all said and done.
Did Wheeler ever say why he left?

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06-09-2012, 06:20 PM
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And maybe Schultz has a family member who reads HF and has seen the way you guys have been talking about him for the last two months and passed your sentiments along to him.
And maybe they would see the last 2 years where we have turned down every trade proposal involving him because he was underated.

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Well it is a character issue. Not because this is a Ducks problem. This behaviour would be a disgrace for any NHL franchise.

And BTW. BM can't be blamed with losing Schultz. He can be blamed however for trading Gardiner when there was absolutely no need to.
Ya we would have the 1st overall pick and the team would be moving to Hamilton.

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06-09-2012, 06:25 PM
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Did Wheeler ever say why he left?
No player will likely ever get right into specifics, but guys like Wheeler and Gregoire did announce they were leaving and basically said they're just going to see what's out there. Schultz, despite being at least as high profile as Wheeler, hasn't said a peep, which is oddly suspicious.

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06-09-2012, 06:33 PM
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Ya we would have the 1st overall pick and the team would be moving to Hamilton.
What are you talking about?


Reminds me of the whole Anaheim-Schultz Situation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KqqRPvM_Sw

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06-09-2012, 06:41 PM
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What are you talking about?


Reminds me of the whole Anaheim-Schultz Situation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KqqRPvM_Sw
We finished in 6th this year and Beauchemin was arguably our MVP this year outside of Hiller. Without him we would have finished in last and the Ducks are not a team that can afford being in last.

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We finished in 6th this year and Beauchemin was arguably our MVP this year outside of Hiller. Without him we would have finished in last and the Ducks are not a team that can afford being in last.
Oh I see. I thought you meant last year. Well I don't see much difference between picking 6th and 1st other than not getting the best player in the draft. LA Kings survived picking at 2nd. Lets not exaggerate.

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Oh I see. I thought you meant last year. Well I don't see much difference between picking 6th and 1st other than not getting the best player in the draft. LA Kings survived picking at 2nd. Lets not exaggerate.
Kings owner: richest owner in NHL and will spend all he wants
Ducks owner: rich but has a budget

Kings: in LA where they sellout every night
Ducks: have not sold out consistently since 08 right after a cup win

Kings: finished with top 10 picks like 6 years in a row so they have a great young core to lean on for 10 years
Ducks: dont

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The thing that irritates me the most was what Murray said to our group -they've repeatedly asked him why he doesn't want to sign and/or what the Ducks have done wrong and Schultz and his camp have absolutely refused to address the topic in any way, shape, or form. If you want out, do the right thing and tell the team why so they can at least get something for your rights.

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06-09-2012, 08:13 PM
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Imagine an NHL team promising someone a contract and then telling a 22 year old kid to get lost, the outrage here and in the media would be fairly significant, yet somehow the Anaheim organization and fans are the bad guys here? GTFO that's just lazy borderline trolling.

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06-09-2012, 10:03 PM
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Imagine an NHL team promising someone a contract and then telling a 22 year old kid to get lost, the outrage here and in the media would be fairly significant, yet somehow the Anaheim organization and fans are the bad guys here? GTFO that's just lazy borderline trolling.
It happens ALL the time. Teams don't sign every draft pick.

Nobody, absolutely nobody is saying they don't feel bad for the Ducks or that they don't want the loophole closed.

But it's there and he is well within his rights.

People crying about it need to think about what they would do in the same situation....

And these same folks on their high horses have nothing wrong with Murray's "he thinks he is too good for us" crap....mike gillis was vilified on this forum when he said less about Hodgson.

Funny stuff this Internet, where everyone is an honorable human being and 22 year old free agents are scum. Haha.

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06-09-2012, 10:10 PM
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It happens ALL the time. Teams don't sign every draft pick.

Nobody, absolutely nobody is saying they don't feel bad for the Ducks or that they don't want the loophole closed.

But it's there and he is well within his rights.

People crying about it need to think about what they would do in the same situation....

And these same folks on their high horses have nothing wrong with Murray's "he thinks he is too good for us" crap....mike gillis was vilified on this forum when he said less about Hodgson.

Funny stuff this Internet, where everyone is an honorable human being and 22 year old free agents are scum. Haha.
It's one thing to not sign a guy, it's another to tell the guy you're gonna sign him to whatever, and then refuse to send the contract over and give no explanation. It's also a completely different situation, as then you wouldn't even be screwing that player over, you'd just be a dick. Schultz did both.

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06-09-2012, 11:23 PM
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Imagine the defense without Beauchemin...
How about Bob Murray just re-signs Beauchemin for free and not given up so much a year later to get him back? That's the horrible part about that trade.

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06-09-2012, 11:39 PM
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How about Bob Murray just re-signs Beauchemin for free and not given up so much a year later to get him back? That's the horrible part about that trade.
He has already admitted he made that mistake. How many GMs would address their mistake and throw themselves under the bus? Not many. The fact that Beauchemin resigned with us and loves it here shows that he and Murray have reconciled.

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No player will likely ever get right into specifics, but guys like Wheeler and Gregoire did announce they were leaving and basically said they're just going to see what's out there. Schultz, despite being at least as high profile as Wheeler, hasn't said a peep, which is oddly suspicious.
Schultz was not as high profile as Wheeler...Wheeler was a 4th overall pick.

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Schultz was not as high profile as Wheeler...Wheeler was a 4th overall pick.
In terms of draft position, Wheeler was more high profile. But 2004 was a weaker draft, Wheeler was considered a massive reach as it was, and didn't exactly light the NCAA on fire. Schultz has been one of the most dominant NCAA defensemen in recent memory. In terms of hype headed into free agency, Wheeler was thought of because of his draft position, but Schultz because of his actual play, so I'll give him the edge.

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In terms of draft position, Wheeler was more high profile. But 2004 was a weaker draft, Wheeler was considered a massive reach as it was, and didn't exactly light the NCAA on fire. Schultz has been one of the most dominant NCAA defensemen in recent memory. In terms of hype headed into free agency, Wheeler was thought of because of his draft position, but Schultz because of his actual play, so I'll give him the edge.
Fair enough but even in Vancouver very few hockey fans know who Justin Schultz is. At least some knew who Wheeler was due to his draft position.

At the end of the day people really don't care that much about prospects because they usually just turn into nothing.

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Fair enough but even in Vancouver very few hockey fans know who Justin Schultz is. At least some knew who Wheeler was due to his draft position.

At the end of the day people really don't care that much about prospects because they usually just turn into nothing.
There's been a million threads on this board, plenty know who he is. Especially since Bobby Mac said he's the #3 FA this year, which is absolutely ridiculous.

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