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06-11-2012, 06:36 AM
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The Rangers should offer Schultz the MAX bonuses allowed in the CBA. $850,000 in A and $2M in B. $2.85M in bonuses is essentially 1st round overall money. $3,775,000 cap number. He will be a top 4 defenseman playing with either his former Wisconsin Badger teammate Ryan McDonagh or Marc Staal. There are multiple categories in A bonuses worth up to $212,500 each. The Rangers can give him a games played bonus like they gave Chris Kreider which paid him $300,000 for playing 15 NHL playoff games. If Schultz finishes in the top 5 in the Norris,he can get another big bonus. That can be negotiated between the player and the team. 2nd year of the ELC he puts put some offensive numbers. Whatever it takes to put him a Blueshirt.

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The Rangers should offer Schultz the MAX bonuses allowed in the CBA. $850,000 in A and $2M in B. $2.85M in bonuses is essentially 1st round overall money. $3,775,000 cap number. He will be a top 4 defenseman playing with either his former Wisconsin Badger teammate Ryan McDonagh or Marc Staal. There are multiple categories in A bonuses worth up to $212,500 each. The Rangers can give him a games played bonus like they gave Chris Kreider which paid him $300,000 for playing 15 NHL playoff games. If Schultz finishes in the top 5 in the Norris,he can get another big bonus. That can be negotiated between the player and the team. 2nd year of the ELC he puts put some offensive numbers. Whatever it takes to put him a Blueshirt.
So, you mean the same contract that every other team in the NHL, including Anaheim, is going to offer him?

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So, you mean the same contract that every other team in the NHL, including Anaheim, is going to offer him?
Not every other team in the NHL can offer him that. Prime example was florida having to wait a year with Eric Gudbranson because bringing him up meant paying him millions in bonuses. Not every other team has made the playoffs all but 1 year since the lock out. Not every other team has a team as young as the Rangers. They are like the 5th youngest team in the NHL.

Rangers have something when it comes to Shultz most in the NHL don't, friends/former team mates. Not only that, but those two friends/former teammates have become very successful.

Rangers are the best destination in the NHL for him. No team over the past few years has a better track record with young defenseman than they do. Girardi, Staal, Del Zotto, McDonagh, Sauer (before his injury). They are fresh off an Eastern Conference finals appearance. What more could he want/get from another team?

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06-11-2012, 07:44 AM
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Not every other team in the NHL can offer him that. Prime example was florida having to wait a year with Eric Gudbranson because bringing him up meant paying him millions in bonuses. Not every other team has made the playoffs all but 1 year since the lock out. Not every other team has a team as young as the Rangers. They are like the 5th youngest team in the NHL.

Rangers have something when it comes to Shultz most in the NHL don't, friends/former team mates. Not only that, but those two friends/former teammates have become very successful.

Rangers are the best destination in the NHL for him. No team over the past few years has a better track record with young defenseman than they do. Girardi, Staal, Del Zotto, McDonagh, Sauer (before his injury). They are fresh off an Eastern Conference finals appearance. What more could he want/get from another team?
uhhh how about a guarantee of playing time? The rangers have one of the deepest and best defensive corps in the league. Schultz would have no guarantee of significant playing time on that team.

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Not every other team in the NHL can offer him that. Prime example was florida having to wait a year with Eric Gudbranson because bringing him up meant paying him millions in bonuses. Not every other team has made the playoffs all but 1 year since the lock out. Not every other team has a team as young as the Rangers. They are like the 5th youngest team in the NHL.

Rangers have something when it comes to Shultz most in the NHL don't, friends/former team mates. Not only that, but those two friends/former teammates have become very successful.

Rangers are the best destination in the NHL for him. No team over the past few years has a better track record with young defenseman than they do. Girardi, Staal, Del Zotto, McDonagh, Sauer (before his injury). They are fresh off an Eastern Conference finals appearance. What more could he want/get from another team?
You're correct - not every team has made the playoffs every year but one year. Detroit has made them every year. And Detroit's average age will be under 28 next season right next to NYR's in the 27-28 range.

Detroit also has a former teammate of his in Brendan Smith who is their top prospect and will be on the team full time next season.

Detroit has a history of developing defensemen, too, considering they developed one of the best ever. Add in Detroit's need for defensemen and their puck possession style of play that would perfectly fit Schultz's game and the case could be made that Detroit would be a better option.

I'm not saying Detroit will sign him or it's the best option for him. I'm just trying to prove that you could make an argument why it's a perfect fit for at least 5 teams.

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You're correct - not every team has made the playoffs every year but one year. Detroit has made them every year. And Detroit's average age will be under 28 next season right next to NYR's in the 27-28 range.

Detroit also has a former teammate of his in Brendan Smith who is their top prospect and will be on the team full time next season.

Detroit has a history of developing defensemen, too, considering they developed one of the best ever. Add in Detroit's need for defensemen and their puck possession style of play that would perfectly fit Schultz's game and the case could be made that Detroit would be a better option.

I'm not saying Detroit will sign him or it's the best option for him. I'm just trying to prove that you could make an argument why it's a perfect fit for at least 5 teams.
He would also get plenty of PP time as he's right handed.

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uhhh how about a guarantee of playing time? The rangers have one of the deepest and best defensive corps in the league. Schultz would have no guarantee of significant playing time on that team.
A defense corp so deep that Stu Bickel was in the line up but never played a 3rd period? Our top 4 yes, is one of the deepest/best in the league. Our bottom pairing was atrocious. He will absolutely have significant playing time and be given plenty of opportunity to finally solve our PP woes.

One of the reasons we faded so fast against the devils was that McDonagh, Girardi and Staal were spent. To have 3 balanced D-pairs including Shultz and Erixon would be outstanding.


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You're correct - not every team has made the playoffs every year but one year. Detroit has made them every year. And Detroit's average age will be under 28 next season right next to NYR's in the 27-28 range.

Detroit also has a former teammate of his in Brendan Smith who is their top prospect and will be on the team full time next season.

Detroit has a history of developing defensemen, too, considering they developed one of the best ever. Add in Detroit's need for defensemen and their puck possession style of play that would perfectly fit Schultz's game and the case could be made that Detroit would be a better option.

I'm not saying Detroit will sign him or it's the best option for him. I'm just trying to prove that you could make an argument why it's a perfect fit for at least 5 teams.
At least 5? Detroit is no longer as desirable as a place to live as it once was. Entire neighborhoods are being bulldozed due to no occupancy. Detroit is at rock bottom. Team wise though, yes they would be one of the more attractive teams from a strictly team perspective.

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Toronto would probably be the best destination. Toronto, New York Rangers, Detroit, Edmonton, Boston would probably be my top 5

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A defense corp so deep that Stu Bickel was in the line up but never played a 3rd period? Our top 4 yes, is one of the deepest/best in the league. Our bottom pairing was atrocious. He will absolutely have significant playing time.

One of the reasons we faded so fast against the devils was that McDonagh, Girardi and Staal were spent. To have 3 balanced D-pairs including Shultz and Erixon would be outstanding.
Girardi, McDonagh, Staal, Del Zotto, Stralman, Sauer, and Erixon. Thats an extremely talented and deep defense corps. Compare that to a team like Vancouver, Toronto, Anaheim, or really any other team in the league. There isn't a single team that could match that depth. Getting significant playing time certainly would be an issue he is looking at when picking his destination, and if he wants to play top minutes right away maybe the Rangers aren't the best destination for him.

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Girardi, McDonagh, Staal, Del Zotto, Stralman, Sauer, and Erixon. Thats an extremely talented and deep defense corps. Compare that to a team like Vancouver, Toronto, Anaheim, or really any other team in the league. There isn't a single team that could match that depth. Getting significant playing time certainly would be an issue he is looking at when picking his destination, and if he wants to play top minutes right away maybe the Rangers aren't the best destination for him.
Stralman most likely won't be back. Sauer could be done for his career. By my math that is 5 defenseman.

Also with that being said, why would he want to be a #5 on another team, when he could be a 6th on arguebly the best D-corps in the league, therefore the best (or at least better)vchance for success. You talk about a team like Anaheim, they have Fowler to QB their PP. We have a rotating mash of players because no one has stuck. Shultz will have the opportunity to run the power play as a rookie.

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At least 5? Detroit is no longer as desirable as a place to live as it once was. Entire neighborhoods are being bulldozed due to no occupancy. Detroit is at rock bottom. Team wise though, yes they would be one of the more attractive teams from a strictly team perspective.
Vancouver, Edmonton, Toronto, New York, Detroit. There's 5 and I'm sure there are other teams' fans making cases why their favorite team is the best fit.

There are plenty of wealthy areas in the Detroit area. Players don't struggle to find a nice place to live. Ever heard of Bloomfield Hills, Michigan? Several current Detroit athletes live there...here are some wikipedia stats...

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Vancouver, Edmonton, Toronto, New York, Detroit. There's 5 and I'm sure there are other teams' fans making cases why their favorite team is the best fit.

There are plenty of wealthy areas in the Detroit area. Players don't struggle to find a nice place to live. Ever heard of Bloomfield Hills, Michigan? Several current Detroit athletes live there...here are some wikipedia stats...
And thats fine, every one is allowed to make their case. In my opinion and the case I was trying to make, the Rangers are the best fit.

Also, I am always a little suspicious of Wiki's info when it comes to statistics. Other stuff it can be good for.

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Vancouver, Edmonton, Toronto, New York, Detroit. There's 5 and I'm sure there are other teams' fans making cases why their favorite team is the best fit.

There are plenty of wealthy areas in the Detroit area. Players don't struggle to find a nice place to live. Ever heard of Bloomfield Hills, Michigan? Several current Detroit athletes live there...here are some wikipedia stats...
Also, here is something else the Rangers can offer him that no team outside of the Atlantic division can offer, and that is the travel schedule. Not having to travel more than a short bus/train ride to more than 1/3rd of your games is a huge benefit.

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Also, here is something else the Rangers can offer him that no team outside of the Atlantic division can offer, and that is the travel schedule. Not having to travel more than a short bus/train ride to more than 1/3rd of your games is a huge benefit.
Leafs can offer that too. The off chance he needs time in the AHL, it's a short distance to the Marlies. This is how the Leafs got Bozak, Gustavsson, Scrivens, Rynnas, Owuya etc.


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Oh boy...this really turns into a dick measuring contest.

It will be interesting to see how Schultz actually turns out. The guy is so hyped, the only way he lives up to that is if he becomes the second coming of Bobby Orr.

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At least 5? Detroit is no longer as desirable as a place to live as it once was. Entire neighborhoods are being bulldozed due to no occupancy. Detroit is at rock bottom. Team wise though, yes they would be one of the more attractive teams from a strictly team perspective.
They're not bulldozing entire neighborhoods... they cant afford it.

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At least 5? Detroit is no longer as desirable as a place to live as it once was. Entire neighborhoods are being bulldozed due to no occupancy. Detroit is at rock bottom. Team wise though, yes they would be one of the more attractive teams from a strictly team perspective.
That's such a pathetic argument it's not even funny. If you knew anything about Detroit (which you clearly dont) you would know the players dont live in Detroit they live in the suburbs. I've been to a couple of them they're all beautiful areas with alot of huge houses and gated communities.

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Leafs can offer that too. The off chance he needs time in the AHL, it's a short distance to the Marlies. This is how the Leafs got Bozak, Gustavsson, Scrivens, Rynnas, Owuya etc.

You know what's funny about that they get all these free agents and not one has turned into a player of significance. The ones that do ususally dont sign with the Leafs.

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Oh boy...this really turns into a dick measuring contest.

It will be interesting to see how Schultz actually turns out. The guy is so hyped, the only way he lives up to that is if he becomes the second coming of Bobby Orr.
Or will he end up like Matt Gilroy? Serviceable but a fringe bottom pairing guy.

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Brendan Smith is waiting for shot at making the Wings on a full time basis. Ryan McDonagh is stalwart on the Rangers D while Smith is still trying to make the NHL. They entered and left Wisconsin at the same time. The Wings like their veteran D. They will make a huge pitch for Suter. Craig Custance tweeted the Wings have Carle and Salvador on their shopping list. The Rangers have Schultz #1 on their list which indicates where Schultz will get his best opportunity.

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That's such a pathetic argument it's not even funny. If you knew anything about Detroit (which you clearly dont) you would know the players dont live in Detroit they live in the suburbs. I've been to a couple of them they're all beautiful areas with alot of huge houses and gated communities.
Thats interesting to know. Thanks for the info. Seeing as I live in Europe, information on the various US cities is scarce. I had the impression the city was really turning into a slum.

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Thats interesting to know. Thanks for the info. Seeing as I live in Europe, information on the various US cities is scarce. I had the impression the city was really turning into a slum.
The city is turning into a slum but the outskirts and suburbs arent. The mayor wants to bulldoze thousands of empty homes in Detroit and frankly it's just sad what the once great Detroit is becoming.

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Girardi, McDonagh, Staal, Del Zotto, Stralman, Sauer, and Erixon. Thats an extremely talented and deep defense corps. Compare that to a team like Vancouver, Toronto, Anaheim, or really any other team in the league. There isn't a single team that could match that depth. Getting significant playing time certainly would be an issue he is looking at when picking his destination, and if he wants to play top minutes right away maybe the Rangers aren't the best destination for him.
The Rangers have a need for a right handed top 4 D. Schultz is #1 on their list. Stralman won't be back. Sauer may not play again. They were forced to play Del Zotto on the right when he is better suited on the left. 1 healthy 3D under contract. Schultz won't get the minutes in NY?

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Also, here is something else the Rangers can offer him that no team outside of the Atlantic division can offer, and that is the travel schedule. Not having to travel more than a short bus/train ride to more than 1/3rd of your games is a huge benefit.
I would rather have a longer travel schedule then play in a system with the Rangers where you are required to block 10 shots per game with your donkey. The only thing that offers from the ranger's is a bruised and beaten up body.

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