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05-27-2012, 09:52 PM
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why? castro can play 2b. He's pretty sketchy defensively.
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx...on=SS#fielding

He's actually been one of the best defenders in the majors so far this season. His fielding percentage isn't great, but his range and arm are spectacular. Cubs fans shouldn't be concerned about his defense. His patience at the plate is a different story. Not just that he only has 4 walks, but that he only has a handful of 3 ball counts.

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Good hitter and getting better on defense. Even though he's tremendous at the plate, he needs more discipline. He needs to pick his pitches and learn to not give in to the pitchers' best pitches.

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http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx...on=SS#fielding

He's actually been one of the best defenders in the majors so far this season. His fielding percentage isn't great, but his range and arm are spectacular. Cubs fans shouldn't be concerned about his defense. His patience at the plate is a different story. Not just that he only has 4 walks, but that he only has a handful of 3 ball counts.
Alexei Ramirez>>>>Castro defensively.

IYF

I don't know how anyone can defend a SS who's fld% is 960....


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05-27-2012, 10:11 PM
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Alexei Ramirez>>>>Castro defensively.

IYF

I don't know how anyone can defend a SS who's fld% is 960....
A guy who gets to the most balls in the MLB. Castro led the MLB in plays from SS last season.

Alexi hasn't been very good this season. -.9 UZR, -1.1 Range Rating and only 1 Defensive Run saved. He's a good fielder, not great. Castro has the potential to be great, and we're just beginning to see it.

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http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx...on=SS#fielding

He's actually been one of the best defenders in the majors so far this season. His fielding percentage isn't great, but his range and arm are spectacular. Cubs fans shouldn't be concerned about his defense. His patience at the plate is a different story. Not just that he only has 4 walks, but that he only has a handful of 3 ball counts.
It's going to help when they **** can Jaramillo.

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alexei ramirez>>>>castro defensively.

Iyf

i don't know how anyone can defend a ss who's fld% is 960....
iyf?

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Alexei Ramirez>>>>Castro defensively.

IYF

I don't know how anyone can defend a SS who's fld% is 950....
Uhhhhh, this isn't the 19th century. We have better methods of evaluating defense than fielding percent . Castro's is .965 btw.

According to Fangraphs, Alexie Ramirez has a negative UZR.

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx...on=SS#fielding

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Uhhhhh, this isn't the 19th century. We have better methods of evaluating defense than fielding percent . Castro's in .965 btw.

According to Fangraphs, Alexie Ramirez has a negative UZR.

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx...on=SS#fielding
Fielding percentage, batting average, RBIs and ERA. The worst stats in baseball, in that order.

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Fielding percentage, batting average, RBIs and ERA. The worst stats in baseball, in that order.
Don't forget W's for SPs. By that measurement, Matt Cain is a career under .500 pitcher.

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Uhhhhh, this isn't the 19th century. We have better methods of evaluating defense than fielding percent . Castro's is .965 btw.

According to Fangraphs, Alexie Ramirez has a negative UZR.

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx...on=SS#fielding
Like I've said, Madgoat uses this thread to prove its not just hockey he's clueless about.

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Good riddance to Greg Walker!

I liked that 'FIRE WHITE SOX HITTING COACH GREG WALKE' Facebook page a couple years ago. It was long overdue seeing him leave.
Meanwhile Walker is getting praised for improving the batting average on his new team. It's more of good riddance to Guillen.

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And even if Alexei was better defensively than Starlin... who cares? Is Alexei Ramirez the standard by which all shortstops should be judged?

A: "Starlin isn't good defensively"
B: "He has gotten so much better this year. He shows great potential defensively at SS"
A: "ALEXEI IS BETTER!!!"

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Don't forget W's for SPs. By that measurement, Matt Cain is a career under .500 pitcher.
Ah, yes. The plight of Felix Hernandez.

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And even if Alexei was better defensively than Starlin... who cares? Is Alexei Ramirez the standard by which all shortstops should be judged?

A: "Starlin isn't good defensively"
B: "He has gotten so much better this year. He shows great potential defensively at SS"
A: "ALEXEI IS BETTER!!!"
Obviously Alexi is better than Tulo.

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05-27-2012, 10:35 PM
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Meanwhile Walker is getting praised for improving the batting average on his new team. It's more of good riddance to Guillen.
That's part of it. When you think of all the hundreds of outs the Sox gave away in the Guillen years...uggh.

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Alexi hasn't been very good this season. -.9 UZR, -1.1 Range Rating and only 1 Defensive Run saved. He's a good fielder, not great. Castro has the potential to be great, and we're just beginning to see it.
It's only been 46 games. He was at a -7 UZR just last week. And you lost credibility with me when you said "good" not "great." Alexei is great. Obviously he's no Tulowitzki (who is amazingly good) but he was robbed of the AL gold glove last year. The Fielding Bible is a much more credible source of defensive skill. But hey.. I'm game to anyone who wants to talk Sabremetrics.

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It's only been 46 games. He was at a -7 UZR just last week. And you lost credibility with me when you said "good" not "great." Alexei is great. Obviously he's no Tulowitzki (who is amazingly good) but he was robbed of the AL gold glove last year. The Fielding Bible is a much more credible source of defensive skill. But hey.. I'm game to anyone who wants to talk Sabremetrics.
I understand that. I'm just saying he's not off to a great start. Sort of reinforces my point that Starlin is doing very well right now.

The class I have at great fielder for SS IS Tulo so he doesn't have a lot of room to work there.

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Like I've said, Madgoat uses this thread to prove its not just hockey he's clueless about.
there's not a good rolleyes on here, so i'll stick to:



Also, just because you actually pissed me off, see below(about alexei's UZR the past 2 years), then kindly slink away.

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I understand that. I'm just saying he's not off to a great start. Sort of reinforces my point that Starlin is doing very well right now.

The class I have at great fielder for SS IS Tulo so he doesn't have a lot of room to work there.
Good god, just admit starlin castro is not a good defensive SS, its not hard. But yea, fld% means nothing to a "rebuilding" team. I guess ~30 errors a year is okay for a SS by your standards. Nobody is denying that Starlin is a very good player, but if my shortstop averaged close to 30 errors a year...

EDIT: I guess I'll just have to start cutting cubs fans even more slack. Must be tough sucking and still losing to a bad-mediocre sox team every year.

BTW, ramirez's UZR last year was 11.9 and the year before that it was 10.8, so yea, its more than fair to say he's one of the best defensive SS in the game.


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05-27-2012, 11:43 PM
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Castro had the most plays of a SS in the MLB and was playing next to Aramis Ramirez, who's arguably the worst fielder at his natural positon, as a 21 year old. Jesus Christ.

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thing is, that explains neither his -8.7 UZR last year, or his 29 errors...

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Tulo is the only great defensive SS because he carries that whole infield. No one is anything above an average fielder in that infield.

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yeah good call. who do you think should start at center then? aldridge?

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thing is, that explains neither his -8.7 UZR last year, or his 29 errors...
What? His being 21 and developing defensively at the MLB level doesn't suffice? If he were 28, I'd agree with you, but he's 22 years old.

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thing is, that explains neither his -8.7 UZR last year, or his 29 errors...
20 and 21 years old playing the hardest position goes a long way toward doing that. But hey, he plays for the Cubs, so won't improve on his weaknesses, and his strengths will only fade. He's past his prime and it's all downhill from here.


OK, I only half believe that Madgoat thinks that.

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yeah good call. who do you think should start at center then? aldridge?
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