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05-29-2012, 05:22 PM
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The fact of the matter is that Bowman hasn't missed the playoffs yet in his time here. He's managed to keep all of the best pieces of a pretty amazing core from the cup run.
Just making the playoffs ain't enough, we aren't some fringe .500 team. If you want to settle for mediocre results and first round exits, then by all means continue doing so. I however want to see this team win several more Cups while they have the core together, and if that means getting a new GM, then do it.

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05-29-2012, 06:04 PM
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Just making the playoffs ain't enough, we aren't some fringe .500 team. If you want to settle for mediocre results and first round exits, then by all means continue doing so. I however want to see this team win several more Cups while they have the core together, and if that means getting a new GM, then do it.
A new GM doesn't solve the problem we've been having, which truly is that our stars underperform.

Kane wasn't worth his contract this year, neither was Keith, neither was Bolland, and probably not Seabs either. Sharp was good for the price this year, but at 5.9 not so much.

Our special teams were awful, and that lies solely on our stars and coaches. Bowman's job is to provide the team with players that have the talent to do the majority of the lifting. If you look around the league, how many top 5s are clearly better or would you rather have than Toews, Hossa, Sharp/Kane (your pick), Keith, and Seabrook? On paper, there's maybe one or two better top5s in the league...

We have a team that can win a cup, but for some reason they seem unmotivated to do so- unless we would rather see the likes of Kane and Toews dealt the problem is with the coaching staff. By my estimation Bowman has done his job.

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A new GM doesn't solve the problem we've been having, which truly is that our stars underperform.

Kane wasn't worth his contract this year, neither was Keith, neither was Bolland, and probably not Seabs either. Sharp was good for the price this year, but at 5.9 not so much.

Our special teams were awful, and that lies solely on our stars and coaches. Bowman's job is to provide the team with players that have the talent to do the majority of the lifting. If you look around the league, how many top 5s are clearly better or would you rather have than Toews, Hossa, Sharp/Kane (your pick), Keith, and Seabrook? On paper, there's maybe one or two better top5s in the league...

We have a team that can win a cup, but for some reason they seem unmotivated to do so- unless we would rather see the likes of Kane and Toews dealt the problem is with the coaching staff. By my estimation Bowman has done his job.
Nah, that god awful power play (which matriculated itself with 1 power play conversion in the playoffs by the lowest paid guy on the team.. in a series where we lost 3 games in overtime, ugh) all year clearly isn't the fault of the coaches for having a crud system or the highly paid Cup winning core for underperforming.. it's clearly Oduya's fault.

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A new GM doesn't solve the problem we've been having, which truly is that our stars underperform.

Kane wasn't worth his contract this year, neither was Keith, neither was Bolland, and probably not Seabs either. Sharp was good for the price this year, but at 5.9 not so much.

Our special teams were awful, and that lies solely on our stars and coaches. Bowman's job is to provide the team with players that have the talent to do the majority of the lifting. If you look around the league, how many top 5s are clearly better or would you rather have than Toews, Hossa, Sharp/Kane (your pick), Keith, and Seabrook? On paper, there's maybe one or two better top5s in the league...

We have a team that can win a cup, but for some reason they seem unmotivated to do so- unless we would rather see the likes of Kane and Toews dealt the problem is with the coaching staff. By my estimation Bowman has done his job.
Seabs, Toews and Hossa were the only people who deserved their contracts.

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Seabs, Toews and Hossa were the only people who deserved their contracts.
I think Mayers was well worth his contract, and Stalberg more than earned his contract. Toews was about to have an amazing year, Hossa was having an amazing year before the ASB, and Seabs was a tossup for me, he just looked asleep out there too many nights.

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This.

Too many people around here playing NHL 12 and think they wrote the book on being a good GM.

The fact of the matter is that Bowman hasn't missed the playoffs yet in his time here. He's managed to keep all of the best pieces of a pretty amazing core from the cup run.
Oh he hasn't missed the play-offs then he is doing an amazing job with a team that just won the Cup, they backed into the play-offs in 11 should have missed it and they lost again in the first round in 12. 2 first round exits after subpar seasons, and 12-13 won't be any different because the team is going to be the exact same, yup thats a fantastic job.

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The fact of the matter is that Bowman hasn't missed the playoffs yet in his time here. He's managed to keep all of the best pieces of a pretty amazing core from the cup run.
yeah, he turned a Stanley Cup Champ into a team that struggles to make the playoffs. Great job.

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Oh he hasn't missed the play-offs then he is doing an amazing job with a team that just won the Cup, they backed into the play-offs in 11 should have missed it and they lost again in the first round in 12. 2 first round exits after subpar seasons, and 12-13 won't be any different because the team is going to be the exact same, yup thats a fantastic job.
What do you mean? Doing the exact same thing always results in completely different outcomes!

- Stan Bowman School of GMing

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cant wait until the hawks win the cup in the next 2-3 years. you'll all be eating crow.
good, I still like Bowman and don't see a problem with the signings he makes as of now. At least, I understand what he is thinking

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Oh he hasn't missed the play-offs then he is doing an amazing job with a team that just won the Cup, they backed into the play-offs in 11 should have missed it and they lost again in the first round in 12. 2 first round exits after subpar seasons, and 12-13 won't be any different because the team is going to be the exact same, yup thats a fantastic job.
Pretty sure no one ever said he was doing a fantastic job. I'm not ready to jump off the ledge like the rest of the board though.

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05-30-2012, 02:58 AM
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This.

Too many people around here playing NHL 12 and think they wrote the book on being a good GM.

The fact of the matter is that Bowman hasn't missed the playoffs yet in his time here. He's managed to keep all of the best pieces of a pretty amazing core from the cup run.
Eeek...bozo the clown could have taken over as GM in the summer of 09 and he wouldn't have missed the playoffs either.

Not bashing Stan here, but come on. The guy was handed the Rolls Royce of GM jobs.

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Not bashing Stan here, but come on. The guy was handed the Rolls Royce of GM jobs.
Absolutely. I don't think he's some grand master of GMs, but he has not ruined this franchise like some seem to believe.

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Absolutely. I don't think he's some grand master of GMs, but he has not ruined this franchise like some seem to believe.
thank you for some not panicing words.

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This.

Too many people around here playing NHL 12 and think they wrote the book on being a good GM.

The fact of the matter is that Bowman hasn't missed the playoffs yet in his time here. He's managed to keep all of the best pieces of a pretty amazing core from the cup run.
So true. The way people have expectations here this is NHL 12. Just signed patrick Kane in GM mode for $13m as a UFA and got Joe Thornton in a trade for Frolik. HAHAHA, so laughable.

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So true. The way people have expectations here this is NHL 12. Just signed patrick Kane in GM mode for $13m as a UFA and got Joe Thornton in a trade for Frolik. HAHAHA, so laughable.
Stan's the NHL man, acquiring Frolik to be a center just because he was a center in NHL 11.

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Would you accept Joe Pavelski+Ryane Clowe+2nd for Kane+

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Would you accept Joe Pavelski+Ryane Clowe+2nd for Kane+
Tempting, I'd probably do it.

How about we get rid of the 2nd and the + can be a 2nd on our end then we take Niemi off your hands.

Pavelski
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Tempting, I'd probably do it.

How about we get rid of the 2nd and the + can be a 2nd on our end then we take Niemi off your hands.

Pavelski
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Kane
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Take out Emery+2nd put in Stalberg and a 3rd

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Kane + Stalberg for Clowe + Pavelski + Niemi

not good enough for Kane and we would have 3 goalies signed for the NHL. No thanks

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not what he should do, this is about reality and what he is going to do.

1. Bowman will not trade a core player. Kane won't go, Sharp won't go.

2. Bowman will not trade the non core Cup Winners. Bolland won't go, Hjammer won't go
We need C and D depth and won't trade them away. A healthy Monty back would help us too. Leddy will only get better with more seasoning and having 3 coaches that are in the same boat will only help. (Too bad the wrong coach is gone and not the other 2 - but thats a different story

3. Bowman will not trade for Ribeiro, Roy or Pavelski. He will not pay a kings random including Saad to get this done

4. He will not trade Emery or Crawford. He extended Emery for whatever reason and he wants to stick with Crawford and wants to see what we have. The fluke Rookie season or the fluke sophomore season. What was the fluke year?

5. He started to run the team the way he imagines it. He started with standing pat and build it from within. His guys weren't ready yet, this can change as soon as next year. He will not bring in Slater for 3-4 years, he will not go after Suter or Parise. He will not overpay for Jackman. He started the way with rookies and he will and should finish it.
We will make the POs with the Core we have. We could lose in the 1st again or we could win the Cup. Bowman will give the kids a chance to play in the NHL and grow as players and as team (also playing all of our players in the AHL together)

6. He will go after guys like Brookbank or brings back Lepisto on cheap 1 year deals.
Hawks have plenty of time left as contenders and it would be stupid to go all in with the way our team is build for longterm success. Just look at the age of our players and the lenght of their contracts. Toews won't sign anywhere else and I can't imagine that Kane would.


This is what we will see most of the time next year
Stalberg - Toews - Kane
Sharp - Krüger - Hossa
Bickell/Rookie/FA - Bolland - Shaw/Rookie/Frolik
Carcillo - Mayers - Rookie/Shaw/Frolik
Bickell/Mayers/Bollig/Frolik/FA

Keith - Seabrook
Hjammer - Leddy
Olsen - Montador
Lepisto/whoever was rumored the past 2 years/Brookbank/Clark

Crawford
Emery


get used to it. We won't sign anything more than depth guys (maybe a washed up Top9 player if Hossa isn't ready to start the season or Bowman has his doubts he is)


I really don't think that I will be wrong with any of these points, maybe one of them but that would be the maximum. (NOTE: This is not what I want, this is what I think will happen)
Thought this one was worth a bump b/c it's so spot on. And congrats to bubba for predicting the brookbank signing months in advance.

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07-02-2012, 09:27 AM
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Thought this one was worth a bump b/c it's so spot on. And congrats to bubba for predicting the brookbank signing months in advance.
Spot on so far...although FA isn't over yet...but Bubba's predictions looking correct right now and most likely will remain that way.

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Spot on so far...although FA isn't over yet...but Bubba's predictions looking correct right now and most likely will remain that way.
Solid predictions but really depressing as a Hawks fan, unless you like first round exits.

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Thought this one was worth a bump b/c it's so spot on. And congrats to bubba for predicting the brookbank signing months in advance.
Epic Bump!

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