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05-30-2012, 04:14 PM
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How about Briere for Schenn and a 2nd?

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05-30-2012, 04:18 PM
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This is a terrible deal for the leafs. If you're swapping Schenns the Leafs need to be moving up in the draft, not down.
At this point in time, it looks like Luke will have a solid career as a 2nd pairing shutdown defensemen, and Brayden is looking like he will be 1b/2a type center...the way the markets been for centers, I'm fairly certain that Brayden is worth more than Luke...how much more is the question? How much is enough to entice Homer?

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05-30-2012, 04:33 PM
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what about just b schenn for the 5th overall?

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05-30-2012, 04:36 PM
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what about just b schenn for the 5th overall?
Why would the Flyers do it?

They take all the risk, and the most likely scenario is that the end up with a C/W prospect who projects little better than Schenn, and is three years behind his development?

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05-30-2012, 06:04 PM
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This is a terrible deal for the leafs. If you're swapping Schenns the Leafs need to be moving up in the draft, not down.
In what world? Luke Schenn's value is below B. Schenn's right now, especially with the premium associated with centers and L. Schenn's dip in play. He's just not looking so hot. Granted, he's young, but he really needs to spend a couple of off-seasons with a power skating instructor.


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05-30-2012, 07:12 PM
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05-30-2012, 07:48 PM
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Burke takes Murray and laughs
If Yakupov, Grigorenko, Galchenyuk, and Forsberg were gone, I feel like the pick loses value.

Even though philly needs a D-man, I'd rather have one of those top 3 BIG TIME over anyone else in the draft.

the skill right there is like the ovie/malkin year, but there are 2 malkins

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05-30-2012, 10:24 PM
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Why would the Flyers do it?

They take all the risk, and the most likely scenario is that the end up with a C/W prospect who projects little better than Schenn, and is three years behind his development?
Yes, but as said it would be if Murray is at 5th so then Flyers get basically sure prospect #2 D-man and Leafs get a nice 2 way (maybe->)#1C.

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05-30-2012, 10:30 PM
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If I am the the Flyers I try and trade for the presumably cheaper 6-8th pick and count on TOR, MTL, etc. taking forwards.

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05-30-2012, 10:33 PM
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If I am the the Flyers I try and trade for the presumably cheaper 6-8th pick and count on TOR, MTL, etc. taking forwards.
It is still going to take a roster asset though. That's the problem. They don't have enough picks to move up from 20.

Unless someone wants to offer a package around a top-10 pick for JVR, I don't see the Flyers getting that high.

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05-30-2012, 10:41 PM
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Don't like Brayden, never did. Never liked Luke too much either, but I'd rather keep the number 5 pick or use it to get a good player.

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05-30-2012, 10:52 PM
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I'd rather just take Murray than make this deal.

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05-30-2012, 10:53 PM
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Don't like Brayden, never did. Never liked Luke too much either, but I'd rather keep the number 5 pick or use it to get a good player.
Same, not really a fan of either of the Schenn brothers.

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"Luke Schenn can be had for 10 first round picks"

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If Yakupov, Grigorenko, Galchenyuk, and Forsberg were gone, I feel like the pick loses value.

Even though philly needs a D-man, I'd rather have one of those top 3 BIG TIME over anyone else in the draft.

the skill right there is like the ovie/malkin year, but there are 2 malkins
Uh... no.

Obviously, I can't be 100% sure, but there's pretty much no chance Grigorenko or Galchenyuk comes anywhere close to Malkin. PPG, yea, I can see that, but not Malkin-esque.

Yakupov however... That makes more sense. I can see that comparison.

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05-31-2012, 12:25 AM
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I think it's fair but very unrealistic.

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05-31-2012, 12:26 AM
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): Schenn hasn't shown a flash of being the #1C. I'd rather take a shot Grink or Galchenyuk then trade Luke+5th for a 2C and a guy that might be better then Luke just maybe or could bomb and not be better then LUke.

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05-31-2012, 12:29 AM
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If Yakupov, Grigorenko, Galchenyuk, and Forsberg were gone, I feel like the pick loses value.

Even though philly needs a D-man, I'd rather have one of those top 3 BIG TIME over anyone else in the draft.

the skill right there is like the ovie/malkin year, but there are 2 malkins
It doesn't matter. Right now for Toronto the question is:

Do they know who they're taking?

I assume if Gally, Grinko, and the Great Canadian Ryan Murray aren't available then Burke says **** it and trades down, maybe to Washington for the 2 1sts and selects two players they're actually comfortable with.

Toronto has a lot of options right now.

Honestly any trade proposal wiht the Leafs should be:

Will it get us a 1C, a top goaltender, or 1D?

No? - Don't make the trade

Yes - make the trade.

That's about it. Right now the Leafs could use 3/5 of the top 5 picks and if all 3 are gone they trade down and pick with 2 picks or gain a roster player and search for the 1C in free agency (LOOKING AT YOU OLLI)

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05-31-2012, 11:12 AM
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Luke Schenn + 5th overall

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Brayden Schenn + 20th overall (I think philly is 20th?)


EDIT: draft day trade, the top 4 selections are Yakupov, Grigorenko, Galchenyuk, Forsberg...burke looks to deal at this point
If the top-4 goes that way, and it is Murray on the board, any interest in something around #5 and JVR?

(Not a center, obviously, but at that point, Toronto wouldn't be able to get their C through the draft anyway).

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05-31-2012, 11:47 AM
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If the top-4 goes that way, and it is Murray on the board, any interest in something around #5 and JVR?

(Not a center, obviously, but at that point, Toronto wouldn't be able to get their C through the draft anyway).
i'd rather trade up instead of moving JvR and keeping our 20th

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05-31-2012, 11:48 AM
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i'd rather trade up instead of moving JvR and keeping our 20th
For the Flyers, you mean?

They don't have the picks to move up significantly--and definitely not to get to 5-7 (Murray, Dumba).

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05-31-2012, 11:52 AM
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): Schenn hasn't shown a flash of being the #1C. I'd rather take a shot Grink or Galchenyuk then trade Luke+5th for a 2C and a guy that might be better then Luke just maybe or could bomb and not be better then LUke.
The premise of the trade is that Grigs and Galy are taken in the top 4, as well as Forsberg and Yakupov.

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05-31-2012, 11:53 AM
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No chance, i barely value Schenn over Schenn, there is no way I'm adding a 5th overall on top.

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05-31-2012, 12:16 PM
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For the Flyers, you mean?

They don't have the picks to move up significantly--and definitely not to get to 5-7 (Murray, Dumba).
we dont need a #5, if we can scramble a package to get in the top 10 or 12 without losing a key piece, we'd do it.

2012 1st (20th)
Bobrovsky
Matt Read
Nick Cousins
Wellwood
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Harry Z
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we dont need a #5, if we can scramble a package to get in the top 10 or 12 without losing a key piece, we'd do it.
It depends who you are targeting, of course. IMO, Murray is a clear class above the other defenseman in this draft. In the scenario above, he's there at 5. You can be sure he won't be there at 10 or 12.

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2012 1st (20th)
Bobrovsky
Matt Read
Nick Cousins
Wellwood
Carle rights
Harry Z
Future picks
Only Read, Bobrovsky, and the 1st hold significant value (e.g., 2nd-round pick-level)--unless you're talking about trading our first and a future 1st, but I'm not sure that's wise.

Maybe you can get Stevie Y drunk and convince him to trade back from 10 to 20 for Bob + 3rd or something, but I doubt it.

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