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05-31-2012, 12:12 PM
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But what about Ouellet, 18, Nedomlel, 18, Sproul, 19, Jurco, 19, Mrazek, 20, Sheahan 20, Pulkkinen, 20 and Jarnkrok, 20?

Oh noes, age!

Wings have a great group of prospects right now ranging from age 18-23.. If you look at other teams you'll see that 23 year old prospects aren't that odd.
Yeah but they're not usually their top guys. They're usually just guys trying to compete for bottom six roles or bottom-pairing defensive roles. Wings have a lot of big prospects that are older like Nyquist (22) and Smith (23).

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05-31-2012, 12:21 PM
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Joe Colborne is, IMO, way too high for the Leafs. They have him as our #2 prospect, behind only Kadri, while I personally have him way lower, behind guys like Frattin, Scrivens, Blacker, Percy and Biggs. I guess I just have a pretty tough time seeing what role he'll play in the NHL.

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05-31-2012, 12:59 PM
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Lightning at 17:

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Strengths: Dustin Tokarski and Jaroslav Janus have emerged as an elite goaltending tandem this season...
Leafs at 18:

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Weaknesses: There aren't any blue chip goaltending prospects in the pipeline.
Janus. 22 years old. 0.914 RS, 0.934 playoffs
Tokarski 22 years old. 0913 RS, 0.939 playoffs. 0.879 NHL
Scrivens 25 years old. 0.926 RS, 0.944 playoffs. 0.902 NHL
Owuya 22 years old. 0.929 RS

Am I missing something?

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Weaknesses: Behind the recently graduated Gardiner there is little in the way of puck movers on the blue line.
Uh, Percy and Blacker?

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05-31-2012, 01:01 PM
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My guess on the rankings, from 1-10:

Edmonton
Florida
Ottawa
St Louis
Minnesota
Islanders
Anaheim
Nashville
Detroit
Chicago
I'd say Florida is 1 and Ottawa is 2.

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05-31-2012, 01:01 PM
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I seem to recall Robin Lehner's grade or whatever decreased after he won the AHL championship and MVP last year. I wouldn't bother trying to make sense of all this goalie stuff.

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05-31-2012, 02:17 PM
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Leafs prospects are over-valued by those that grew up Leafs fans, and under-valued by those that didn't.

Judging from what I read here, especially the goaltending angle, this report definitely under values them. But I grew up a Leafs fan so who knows.

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Yeah but they're not usually their top guys. They're usually just guys trying to compete for bottom six roles or bottom-pairing defensive roles. Wings have a lot of big prospects that are older like Nyquist (22) and Smith (23).
So they're essentially underdeveloped, and long shots. Seeing as how the Red Wings have picked from the 20th spot and up for the past decade, prospects require more time to develop.

So essentially what you are arguing is that the Red Wings "older" prospects are much more well developed and have legitimate NHL futures then other organization's equivalent-aged prospects.

Stop being sour.

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05-31-2012, 03:53 PM
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So they're essentially underdeveloped, and long shots. Seeing as how the Red Wings have picked from the 20th spot and up for the past decade, prospects require more time to develop.

So essentially what you are arguing is that the Red Wings "older" prospects are much more well developed and have legitimate NHL futures then other organization's equivalent-aged prospects.

Stop being sour.
No one's being sour except you. Other teams top 22 and 23 year olds are already in the NHL. What does draft position have to do with anything or is this just a thinly veiled Wings bragging post?

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05-31-2012, 04:05 PM
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My guess on the rankings, from 1-10:

Edmonton
Florida
Ottawa
St Louis
Minnesota
Islanders
Anaheim
Nashville
Detroit
Chicago
EDM is at 5 but when you have prospects like Eberle, and Hall already in the NHL that is pretty good. I think we will even drop down more next year when RNH and Yak are both no longer prospects either. I know Yak is not on our list yet but by the end of next year he won't be on the list either.

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05-31-2012, 04:19 PM
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Joe Colborne is, IMO, way too high for the Leafs. They have him as our #2 prospect, behind only Kadri, while I personally have him way lower, behind guys like Frattin, Scrivens, Blacker, Percy and Biggs. I guess I just have a pretty tough time seeing what role he'll play in the NHL.
If Kadri and Colborne are your best prospects that is why TO is where they are 18.

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05-31-2012, 04:27 PM
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1-10 are out.

Ducks 5th

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05-31-2012, 04:59 PM
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Once we lose Schultz we lose a few spots though.

I predict we will have a bottom 10 by the end of next year. I think we lose 4 of our top 5.

DSP Holland 1 of the wingers and schultz(1 way or the other)

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05-31-2012, 05:26 PM
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Weaknesses: The Isles have had difficulty convincing many of their young prospects such as Anton Klementyev, Kirill Petrov, and Mikko Koskinen to play North American minor-league hockey.
The ****? Klementyev, and Koskinen both played in the AHL for Bridgeport for the past 2 years, and Koskinen ended up back in Europe because they didn't want to swap 3 goalies in and out of the lineup on a nightly basis, and Klementyev could never crack the Sound Tigers lineup for whatever reason. Petrov wants to come over and try to make the Islanders, he said so himself at rookie camp 2 years ago, but has not been able to come overseas since because his mother is extremely sick. Which has nothing to do with him not being willing to play in Bridgeport.

Really glad this guy did his research on the Islanders prospect pool.

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05-31-2012, 05:32 PM
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Isnt the AHL minor-league hockey?

They didnt say junior.

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Once we lose Schultz we lose a few spots though.

I predict we will have a bottom 10 by the end of next year. I think we lose 4 of our top 5.

DSP Holland 1 of the wingers and schultz(1 way or the other)
We will also be adding the #6 pick in this draft though. If DSP graduates for the fall then we will be low teens, otherwise still top 10 for the fall. Then mid teens unless Holland graduates.

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Isnt the AHL minor-league hockey?

They didnt say junior.
I know that, both Klementyev, and Koskinen played in Bridgeport of the AHL for the Islanders, neither one refused to come over.

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06-01-2012, 04:35 AM
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They released 11-20 here
Interesting to see the Rangers added Wellman twice.

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The Pens' prospect pool by position is really night and day. The Pens' defense prospects are arguably among the top ten in the league, but the forwards are arguably near the bottom of the league.

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