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05-30-2012, 07:16 PM
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NYI 2nd+ Anders Lee

Isles have Streit/Hamonic/MacDonald in their top 4.All have shown they can play quality,top 4 minutes.

Isles need another top 4 defenseman.Not a prospect,with top 4 potential.
Not another team's 3rd pairing defenseman,who's never shown he can log 20 mins a night in the top 4 or who's best yrs are clearly behond him.

22 yr old Donovan is coming off a strong,rookie season in the AHL.He has #3 potential.21 yr old De Haan is the isles top blueline prospect.
They along with Ness and Katic, will fight for a limited number of nhl spots.

So,what veteran defenseman could the isles 2nd rounder and Lee bring back?

I'd rather this player have 2 yrs or more on his deal,but would settle for one.
Isles budget could pay around $4m per season.

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For anyone who doesn't know, Lee is a big body that has scored 30 goals at the college level. He's not a good skater though, that's what's going to hold him back if he makes it to the NHL.

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Reasoner+Lee+2nd 2012 for Phaneuf.

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Reasoner+Lee+2nd 2012 for Phaneuf.
Phaneuf will never be an Islander. Matt Martin and Kyle Okposo hate him. Even then that's terrible value for the Leafs, is that a serious offer?

I would love Schenn.

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Phaneuf will never be an Islander. Matt Martin and Kyle Okposo hate him. Even then that's terrible value for the Leafs, is that a serious offer?

I would love Schenn.
Phaneuf salary his very high for a number two or three defenseman.

Personally I wouldn't trade Schenn. I very hope we keep him.

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I'd give you Robidas for one or the other...

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Reasoner+Lee+2nd 2012 for Phaneuf.
I'd be shocked if Burke made such a deal.

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I'd be shocked if Burke made such a deal.
Yeah I know, Burke wouldn't do this.

But what about if the Islanders add one of their top prospects defenseman at this deal?

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Isles have Streit/Hamonic/MacDonald in their top 4.All have shown they can play quality,top 4 minutes.

Isles need another top 4 defenseman.Not a prospect,with top 4 potential.
Not another team's 3rd pairing defenseman,who's never shown he can log 20 mins a night in the top 4 or who's best yrs are clearly behond him.

22 yr old Donovan is coming off a strong,rookie season in the AHL.He has #3 potential.21 yr old De Haan is the isles top blueline prospect.
They along with Ness and Katic, will fight for a limited number of nhl spots.

So,what veteran defenseman could the isles 2nd rounder and Lee bring back?

I'd rather this player have 2 yrs or more on his deal,but would settle for one.
Isles budget could pay around $4m per season.
Andrej Meszaros?

I wouldn't do it for Lee--not a position of need at all--but if you were willing to swap him for one of your defensive prospects, it might make sense.

(The thinking is, of course, that Meszaros is considerably more value than your generic veteran #4 defenseman--still young, can easily be a 2/3 depending on the pairings, etc.)

(My assumption is that the Flyers would use the money and offer Suter the farm. If he's off the board, this probably doesn't work)

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I'd give you Robidas for one or the other...

I'll be honest,I'd rather lose Anders Lee and use that 2nd for a defenseman.

There was a report a few days ago from Newsday,that Snow,Morrow and Weight were eying the defenseman expected to be on the ufa market.They wanted to find a situation similar to Streit's:a defenseman who wants a larger role.The short blurb mentioned Oduya.He's since signed an extension with the hawks.

If Snow can't find his #4 defenseman on the ufa market,I'd hope he'd turn to a vet like Robidas,giving his rookies from the AHL some breathing room and his Isles roster a boost.

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Andrej Meszaros?

I wouldn't do it for Lee--not a position of need at all--but if you were willing to swap him for one of your defensive prospects, it might make sense.

(The thinking is, of course, that Meszaros is considerably more value than your generic veteran #4 defenseman--still young, can easily be a 2/3 depending on the pairings, etc.)

(My assumption is that the Flyers would use the money and offer Suter the farm. If he's off the board, this probably doesn't work)
No interest in moving De Haan or Donovan for 2 yrs of Meszaros.

Donovan's upside is a #3 d-man and scouts think De haan's very close behind in talent.

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No interest in moving De Haan or Donovan for 2 yrs of Meszaros.

Donovan's upside is a #3 d-man and scouts think De haan's very close behind in talent.
Makes sense.

My thought was that Meszaros could be a longer-term piece--Streit can't play forever, etc.--but I certainly understand wanting to keep high-end prospects.

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How about Lydman+6th overall+Deslauriers or Sexton for 4th overall+34th+Lee?

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How about Lydman+6th overall+Deslauriers or Sexton for 4th overall+34th+Lee?


Not much interest in moving down, unless the isles feel their guy will be there at #6.No interest in Sexton.Isles are already too small and soft, in a division with the physical Flyers,Rangers,Pens.

Isles have 4 pmd knocking on the door at Bridgeport.I'd rather bring in a physical bruiser like Thrower,then add Deslauriers.

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Not much interest in moving down, unless the isles feel their guy will be there at #6.No interest in Sexton.Isles are already too small and soft, in a division with the physical Flyers,Rangers,Pens.

Isles have 4 pmd knocking on the door at Bridgeport.I'd rather bring in a physical bruiser like Thrower,then add Deslauriers.
Sexton isn't there to play in the NHL.

I have no idea what PMDs have to do with anything. Deslauriers is a goalie and Lydman is a physical shutdown defenseman.

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Sexton isn't there to play in the NHL.

I have no idea what PMDs have to do with anything. Deslauriers is a goalie and Lydman is a physical shutdown defenseman.
I think he confused your goalie with the LA D prospect.

(But that actually makes the deal worse. If there is one position the Islanders don't need, its in goal).

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Sexton isn't there to play in the NHL.

I have no idea what PMDs have to do with anything. Deslauriers is a goalie and Lydman is a physical shutdown defenseman.
jeh82 is right.I thought you were offering another pmd.

Isles have goalies Nilson and Poulin developing well at Bridgeport.They also have Koskinen in Europe.There was no room on the AHL team for Koskinen.No thanks to adding another goalie.

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I think he confused your goalie with the LA D prospect.

(But that actually makes the deal worse. If there is one position the Islanders don't need, its in goal).
Neither of those players are in there as a sweetener. Anders Lee has a major league skill set, but he's cursed with minor league wheels; Pat Maroon has the same problem. You're going to have give more than that and a 2nd to get a top 4 defenseman.

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Neither of those players are in there as a sweetener. Anders Lee has a major league skill set, but he's cursed with minor league wheels; Pat Maroon has the same problem. You're going to have give more than that and a 2nd to get a top 4 defenseman.

Neither Deslauriers or Sexton are wanted.So,no need for them or other youngsters to be added from the other side.

I want Snow to look to teams with weak prospect pools,teams starting rebuilds who wants picks and prospects.

The Stars fan who offered up 35 yr old Robidas for either Lee or the 2nd alone,came up with the type of move I hope Snow pulls off.

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Neither Deslauriers or Sexton are wanted.So,no need for them or other youngsters to be added from the other side.
I realize the answer is no, and I'm not going to argue that this is a deal you need to take, but to clarify, taking Sexton or Deslaurier was part of the payment to get Lydman, not an enticement.

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No way Toronto does that Phaneuf deal. Cant believe a Leafs fan posted that!

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I realize the answer is no, and I'm not going to argue that this is a deal you need to take, but to clarify, taking Sexton or Deslaurier was part of the payment to get Lydman, not an enticement.
I thought the payment was moving down from 4th to 6th + 2nd rounder+ Lee.

Either way,too high a price for Lydman.

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Either way,too high a price for Lydman.
Fair enough.

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I'd honestly rather just keep our assets and go for a UFA. I think Michal Rozsival would be a great fit playing alongside Streit. That gives us Streit, Rozsival, Hamonic and MacDonald under contract for 2012-13.

For the remaining two spots I'd create an open competition in TC between Donovan, deHaan, Reese, Katic, Ness, Kichton, and yes.. Murray. I'd sign Staios to another one year deal to be our 7th. Break up the Hamonic-MacDonald pairing so we can balance the 2nd and 3rd pairings, this way each rookie gets to play with someone who has experience. While it's impossible to predict who will step up in camp, in theory I'd like to see:

Streit - Rozsival
Murray - Hamonic
Donovan - MacDonald
7th - Staios

Bridgeport: de Haan, Reese, Katic, Ness, Kichton

I'm sure I'll get flamed for the Murray-Hamonic pairing, since Murray will be a 19YO getting top-4 minutes, however they need to be playing together from the beginning, IMO. Those two will be our 1st pairing of the future, and I really think they will be effective together as the 2nd pairing from day one. I just see them both complimenting eachother's games perfectly.

Either way, this unit is head and shoulders above what we were rocking this past season. IMO, Rozsival is as good as any UFA option not named Suter as far as defensemen go. This guy is criminally underrated, and if the Isles can get him locked up for a couple of seasons at around $4M per, I'd be absolutely thrilled.

So yeah, I think it would be wise to hold onto our assets and just use the UFA market to fill that top-4 role. This way when next season's trade deadline comes and we're somehow in the hunt, we will have a handful of assets to choose from when trying to upgrade our team.

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I'd honestly rather just keep our assets and go for a UFA. I think Michal Rozsival would be a great fit playing alongside Streit. That gives us Streit, Rozsival, Hamonic and MacDonald under contract for 2012-13.
Why would Rozsival move from a team with a shaky situation who made the conference finals to a a team with a shaky situation that didn't make the playoffs? It's a pipe dream. And, yeah, that's pathetic.

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