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05-31-2012, 12:19 PM
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Happy with this.

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05-31-2012, 12:30 PM
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To be honest this is a great hire. He's a very up-tempo, 2-3 man forechecking, with a lot of back-checking and physical play.

The problem with Hartley is that he screams at players, and it might give results initially, but it can wear thin over time. Realizing that the window for competing for the Flames is growing shorter, Hartley will have just the right "expiry date" for this club.
Some players on the club may need that kind of fire lit under them to get them going. But I agree, might not be so effective over time, especially on younger guys.

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As I said in the other thread, I'm not opposed Hartley being hired because given his track record, you know he'll get a lot out of Iginla, Tanguay, Cammalleri, likely Baertschi and maybe even Backlund offensively.

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Flames hire coach and prepare for heavy lifting in days ahead. Iginla trade rumours will heat up. Bouwmeester on the block?
Don't know why the Iginla rumors would heat up now. And Bouwmeester shouldn't be on the block either.

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05-31-2012, 12:38 PM
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Interesting note- hartley is coming over after coaching a switz team… beartchi is a switz player… interesting ; )

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05-31-2012, 12:41 PM
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I was meh when Playfair was hired, I was okay with Keenan being hired, I hated Brent Sutter was hired. I love the Hartley hiring, the more I read about him and the more things I look up, the better it looks.

He has had huge success through his entire coaching career, he is also excellent with young players and veterans alike. He is a guy that seems like he plays players in a role they can be successful in irregardless of age.

and he isn't going to be afraid to send Jackman (or another tough guy) out there to teach someone a lesson if they do something to one of our skill players.
Yeah, I've gone from "Do not want" to "Might be okay" based on what I've heard. I'll take a wait and see approach though.

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Interesting note- hartley is coming over after coaching a switz team… beartchi is a switz player… interesting ; )
Interesting? The two are completely unrelated.

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Interesting note- hartley is coming over after coaching a switz team… beartchi is a switz player… interesting ; )
No its not. This hire had nothing to do with Baertschi and if it did Feaster should be fired on the spot. You dont hire a coach with the thoughts of a player whose played 5 NHL games and is not a lock to even make the roster next season in mind.


Baertschi is a GREAT prospect but people are gonna be severely disappointed when this guy only turns out to be anything less than an 80 point franchise corner stone.

Relax people, Baertschi is a great payer and will do good things for the flames in the future, but dont heap the future of the entire franchise on this kid.

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05-31-2012, 12:47 PM
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Interesting note- hartley is coming over after coaching a switz team… beartchi is a switz player… interesting ; )
....What's interesting about this.

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IF bouwmeester is really on the block would you guys take

Mason Raymond and Keith Ballard for him?

Horrible for Horrible? haahhahahaa


Solid hire, but I believe hiring Hartley is a signal for a rebuild. Start fresh with a young foundation which he is good with.

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No its not. This hire had nothing to do with Baertschi and if it did Feaster should be fired on the spot. You dont hire a coach with the thoughts of a player whose played 5 NHL games and is not a lock to even make the roster next season in mind.


Baertschi is a GREAT prospect but people are gonna be severely disappointed when this guy only turns out to be anything less than an 80 point franchise corner stone.

Relax people, Baertschi is a great payer and will do good things for the flames in the future, but dont heap the future of the entire franchise on this kid.
Not to mention that Hartley isn't Swiss and that Baertschi hasn't played in Switzerland for more than 2 years.

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I'm happy with this, but that can soon change. I haven't been happy with coaching since Keenan.

I always looked at Sutter as a family hire and not a Flames hire. Hartley has connections here, so hopefully he doesn't get too comfortable. But if we make the playoffs, we'll finally settle the Core vs. Coaching debate IMO.

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Ringing endorsement from Jeff Tambellini, who played for ZSC under Hartley last season.

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“I’ve never had a coach who has wanted to win so bad,” said Tambellini, who’s back in Vancouver for a few months before heading back to Europe in early August.

“He’ll do anything to win. That’s where you hear about how he pushes guys and makes them uncomfortable, but he just wants to win so bad that he’ll push as many buttons as it takes. It’s hard but I can respect that. You know where you stand with him. He has a relationship with each of his players and he cares about each person. He works with the young guys, but he also challenges them to be better.”
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No its not. This hire had nothing to do with Baertschi and if it did Feaster should be fired on the spot. You dont hire a coach with the thoughts of a player whose played 5 NHL games and is not a lock to even make the roster next season in mind.


Baertschi is a GREAT prospect but people are gonna be severely disappointed when this guy only turns out to be anything less than an 80 point franchise corner stone.

Relax people, Baertschi is a great payer and will do good things for the flames in the future, but dont heap the future of the entire franchise on this kid.
I think you might have made something from nothing right there. There's no reason to suspect such things are going on yet.

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I'm not a fan of the ZSC Lions (more like the opposite), but i live in the area: What that guy did in one year (pretty good team, but with lots of internal troubles and a goaltender problem) was just absolutely amazing. he lit the fire under certain mighty and well payed player's butts, did a great job with the youth, coached a young shaky goalie into an actually solid one and won the title (beating the regular season winner and last years champion in the process).

I dont know too much about the Flames, but as far as i can compare your situation to the ZSC, this doesnt seem to be a bad move. Will miss his emotions on the bench
Yea the guy can motivate a cat into not only liking being in water but being an amphibian and the cat will believe it.

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05-31-2012, 12:54 PM
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....What's interesting about this.
its interesting he didn't start a new thread about it

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IF bouwmeester is really on the block would you guys take

Mason Raymond and Keith Ballard for him?

Horrible for Horrible? haahhahahaa


Solid hire, but I believe hiring Hartley is a signal for a rebuild. Start fresh with a young foundation which he is good with.
**** no to that proposal. Bouwmeester is overpaid, not horrible. He has been the anchor to our defense since being acquired and is the only defenseman we have that can effectively play against oppositions top players or play big minutes without having his game decline as a result.

Hartley is a good coach because he is good with young players, but he has also gotten good production out of veteran players too. The team will continue rebuilding while trying to remain competitive

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Don't know why the Iginla rumors would heat up now. And Bouwmeester shouldn't be on the block either.
Exactly. If Sutter left because he wanted a drastic roster change why would Hartley get it?

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IF bouwmeester is really on the block would you guys take

Mason Raymond and Keith Ballard for him?

Horrible for Horrible? haahhahahaa


Solid hire, but I believe hiring Hartley is a signal for a rebuild. Start fresh with a young foundation which he is good with.
Get real. I hate JBo and even I wouldn't do that. NSH fans offering Klein and Colin Wilson. Ottawa fans offering Prince and a 1st.

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its interesting he didn't start a new thread about it


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Congrats to Bob and the Flames for a good hire. Hartley won almost everywhere he coached. As Kimota said, this guy can motivate you with a sundae story. I hope he'll bring his friend and Shawinigan Cataractes coach Éric Veilleux with him as an assistant coach.




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Hartley seems more of a "win now" choice than a choice you would make if you were looking to rebuild. So, I'm guessing Iggy/Kipper are staying, not that I thought they were going anywhere anyway.
Actually he is quite the opposite. He is a youth/younger star development coach. Doesn't get along too well with stars/vets.

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As I said in the other thread, I'm not opposed Hartley being hired because given his track record, you know he'll get a lot out of Iginla, Tanguay, Cammalleri, likely Baertschi and maybe even Backlund offensively.



Don't know why the Iginla rumors would heat up now. And Bouwmeester shouldn't be on the block either.
Because he is known for getting through to younger players and really getting the most out of them (Baertschi will have a great couple years) but older veterans have been known to butt heads with him (only coach I have ever heard that butted heads with Sakic).

Great signing for a young and developing team.

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its interesting he didn't start a new thread about it

**** no to that proposal. Bouwmeester is overpaid, not horrible. He has been the anchor to our defense since being acquired and is the only defenseman we have that can effectively play against oppositions top players or play big minutes without having his game decline as a result.

Hartley is a good coach because he is good with young players, but he has also gotten good production out of veteran players too. The team will continue rebuilding while trying to remain competitive
I personally believe Bouwmeester needs to retool his game in a lot of ways, or he needs a partner who he can rely on. Sometimes he just seems so lost out there...

Regardless I think Hartley could utilize a player like Raymond. AV has his too much as a pet. I think that's where his pressure is coming from heck look what he did with Tambellini...if Hartley could get that with Tambi who is a very similar player like Raymond, you guys a very good two-way player at a bargain bin discount.

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05-31-2012, 01:11 PM
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its interesting he didn't start a new thread about it
Well played, good sir. Well played indeed.

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Congrats to Bob and the Flames for a good hire. Hartley won almost everywhere he coached. As Kimota said, this guy can motivate you with a sundae story. I hope he'll bring his friend and Shawinigan Cataractes coach Éric Veilleux with him as an assistant coach.



I wouldn't be shocked for a second if Veilleux was named an assistant coach to Hartley. He has had good success in his 7 seasons in Shawinigan, combine that with him playing under Hartley as a player for 7 years and the combination of professional familiarity and professional success makes him a good candidate IMO.

also for those who care, TSN.ca will be streaming the press conference

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I think you might have made something from nothing right there. There's no reason to suspect such things are going on yet.
I dont believe its a factor at all. Thats why I said it wasn't interesting. If it had been interesting, then we'd have some real problems.

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I personally believe Bouwmeester needs to retool his game in a lot of ways, or he needs a partner who he can rely on. Sometimes he just seems so lost out there...

Regardless I think Hartley could utilize a player like Raymond. AV has his too much as a pet. I think that's where his pressure is coming from heck look what he did with Tambellini...if Hartley could get that with Tambi who is a very similar player like Raymond, you guys a very good two-way player at a bargain bin discount.
we already have a Raymond clone in Comeau though, we don't need another.

Bouwmeester's problems in Calgary are 2 fold.

1st fans don't seem to understand that he is used in primarily a defensive role (and has been very good at it), he wasn't allowed to pinch under Sutter often and he was on the 2nd PP unit, thus his point totals have taken a serious hit. So fans that don't pay attention treat him like he has been horrible.

2nd the Flames didn't play a system conducive to defensemen getting many points. They have pretty much dumped and chased or cycled under Sutter, they did very little off the rush and didn't utilize the point on the PP very much.

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