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05-31-2012, 11:46 AM
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I was wondering how much Duchene is worth? I believe he is RFA this year Im probably wrong, but what would it take to get him.

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I was wondering how much Duchene is worth? I believe he is RFA this year Im probably wrong, but what would it take to get him.
McDonagh (+/-)

(That would give Colorado their top-pairing for the next decade at McD / EJ).

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Yeah it'd be McDonagh +


Kreider as the + might get it done. Not sure I'd do that but that's what I would anticipate as the cost.

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Yeah it'd be McDonagh +


Kreider as the + might get it done. Not sure I'd do that but that's what I would anticipate as the cost.
I don't think it would take Krieder. More like a "B" level prospect or late 1st.

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As badly as I want a sniper for Rangers and am willing to pay, McDonagh + Kreider are off the table.

Pls try again.

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As badly as I want a sniper for Rangers and am willing to pay, McDonagh + Kreider are off the table.

Pls try again.
If McDonagh and Kreider are off the table, so is Duchene.

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As badly as I want a sniper for Rangers and am willing to pay, McDonagh + Kreider are off the table.

Pls try again.
This.

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As badly as I want a sniper for Rangers and am willing to pay, McDonagh + Kreider are off the table.

Pls try again.
So then it would be Staal + a bit.

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So then it would be Staal + a bit.
It would take McDonagh to get Duchene. There's no reason for Colorado to move him for Staal.

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It would take McDonagh to get Duchene. There's no reason for Colorado to move him for Staal.
There's no reason to move Duchene for McDonagh.

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There's no reason to move Duchene for McDonagh.
Makes sense.

My thought was that McDonagh is the Rangers most valuable piece under the age of 23--and he's also a position of long-term need for Colorado (top-pairing LH). I know Colorado has Siemens, but he's always seemed a bit more like a 3D than a 2A to me.

Honestly, though, I'm not sure why the OP thinks the Rangers need Duchene. Perhaps that should have been my first response.

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If McDonagh and Kreider are off the table, so is Duchene.
Lol injury prone Duchene for the a 22 year old top pairing D man who on his first full year was the best D on one of the best defensive teams in the league. Oh and his +/- was real good, he played +25 mins and he had the 6th highest ES (even strength points) out of ALL defensemen in the whole league.

He had no PP time and still put up +30 points. Oh did I mention he was a big reason we was #1 in eastern and reached the ECF, oh and yeah... this was his FIRST FULL YEAR. The kid is stud. Norris trophy candidate potential.


And you also want us to throw in a 6'3, 231 lbs winger with superspeed who came into the playoffs from College (without playing in AHL or NHL before) and scored 5 goals, a few GWG, was defensively sound.


He did all that out of college, in the playoffs. What do you think he'll do in the regular season with his skillset (speed, size, shot etc) when there's more ice, more space?


I almost forgot, both players are still on their ELC'S....


So a young ELC #1 defensemen and a young, huge, speedy winger with top 6, possibly top 3 potential on his ELC as well for Duchene?

Haha! Are we trading for Giroux or Stamkos? No? GTFO...


Duchene is injury prone and he is not a PPG. This package is worth alot more than Duchene. I love Duchene but let's get realistic...

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So then it would be Staal + a bit.
Thank you.
Acknowledged this is not agreed to by all, but may be enough of a consensus this could work.
Generally prefer to move Girardi instead of Staal, but would move Staal for Duchene.
Can we agree on the +?

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Lol injury prone Duchene for the a 22 year old top pairing D man who on his first full year was the best D on one of the best defensive teams in the league. Oh and his +/- was real good, he played +25 mins and he had the 6th highest ES (even strength points) out of ALL defensemen in the whole league.

He had no PP time and still put up +30 points. Oh did I mention he was a big reason we was #1 in eastern and reached the ECF, oh and yeah... this was his FIRST FULL YEAR. The kid is stud. Norris trophy candidate potential.


And you also want us to throw in a 6'3, 231 lbs winger with superspeed who came into the playoffs from College (without playing in AHL or NHL before) and scored 5 goals, a few GWG, was defensively sound.


He did all that out of college, in the playoffs. What do you think he'll do in the regular season with his skillset (speed, size, shot etc) when there's more ice, more space?


I almost forgot, both players are still on their ELC'S....


So a young ELC #1 defensemen and a young, huge, speedy winger with top 6, possibly top 3 potential on his ELC as well for Duchene?

Haha! Are we trading for Giroux or Stamkos? No? GTFO...


Duchene is injury prone and he is not a PPG. This package is worth alot more than Duchene. I love Duchene but let's get realistic...
I think you read too much into his post--I think he was saying "if [both] McDonagh and Krieder are off the table..."

In other words, a trade has to start with one of the other. I don't think he was saying it would take both.

(If he was, he deserves the scorn you just heaped on him).

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Lol injury prone Duchene for the a 22 year old top pairing D man who on his first full year was the best D on one of the best defensive teams in the league. Oh and his +/- was real good, he played +25 mins and he had the 6th highest ES (even strength points) out of ALL defensemen in the whole league.

He had no PP time and still put up +30 points. Oh did I mention he was a big reason we was #1 in eastern and reached the ECF, oh and yeah... this was his FIRST FULL YEAR. The kid is stud. Norris trophy candidate potential.


And you also want us to throw in a 6'3, 231 lbs winger with superspeed who came into the playoffs from College (without playing in AHL or NHL before) and scored 5 goals, a few GWG, was defensively sound.


He did all that out of college, in the playoffs. What do you think he'll do in the regular season with his skillset (speed, size, shot etc) when there's more ice, more space?


I almost forgot, both players are still on their ELC'S....


So a young ELC #1 defensemen and a young, huge, speedy winger with top 6, possibly top 3 potential on his ELC as well for Duchene?

Haha! Are we trading for Giroux or Stamkos? No? GTFO...


Duchene is injury prone and he is not a PPG. This package is worth alot more than Duchene. I love Duchene but let's get realistic...
Love how a player gets hurt in one season and hes automatically labelled as injury prone...

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So then it would be Staal + a bit.
That's a lot better. McDonagh+>>>Staal+

Still wouldn't do it cause we don't need another center, but that's besides the point.

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When was the last time a player of Duchene's magnitude/potential/skill was traded at his age?

Hes not getting traded unless its an overpayment...

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I don't want Duchene, I don't want Stastny.

I want Landeskog

Landeskog for Staal and a 1st

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I don't want Duchene, I don't want Stastny.

I want Landeskog

Landeskog for Staal and a 1st
And why would Colorado do that?

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And why would Colorado do that?
same reason we trade McDonagh for Duchene.

We won't and neither will they.

However, if they are needing a Left handed LD, and a top notch one at that, then Staal is as good as McDonagh is in that regards.

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And why would Colorado do that?
and while I like EJ, Staal is a better defenceman right now.

however, it would be interesting to see them playing together

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same reason we trade McDonagh for Duchene.

We won't and neither will they.

However, if they are needing a Left handed LD, and a top notch one at that, then Staal is as good as McDonagh is in that regards.
Your reason is there is no reason? What?

If Colorado was going to move Duchene, it would be because they have two other top-6 centers (Stastny and O'Reilly), and they would do it to acquire a similar-aged, similar-ceiling player at a position of need (e.g., LHD).

There is no such logic with Landeskog.

McDonagh is more valuable than Staal--in part because of age, in part because of contract, and in part because of Staal's injury concerns. I doubt Colorado would move Duchene for a package centered around Staal.



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and while I like EJ, Staal is a better defenceman right now.

however, it would be interesting to see them playing together
How is that relevant? No one is suggesting trading EJ, let alone for Staal.

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Your reason is there is no reason? What?

If Colorado was going to move Duchene, it would be because they have two other top-6 centers (Stastny and O'Reilly), and they would do it to acquire a similar-aged, similar-ceiling player at a position of need (e.g., LHD).

There is no such logic with Landeskog.

McDonagh is more valuable than Staal--in part because of age, in part because of contract, and in part because of Staal's injury concerns. I doubt Colorado would move Duchene for a package centered around Staal.





How is that relevant? No one is suggesting trading EJ, let alone for Staal.
Basically I was stating that if we are looking at Colorado to upgrade our offence by using one of our top 3 defenceman, I would not want either Duchene or Stastny and I would target Landeskog. Additionally I would look to move Staal to get that done.

Knowing full well that the mention of Landeskog is a non starter just as much as the mention of McDonagh's name is also a non-starter for the Rangers.

It's funny that you mention Duchene for a package centered around Staal. I wouldn't move Staal for JUST Duchene, a player with his own injury concerns to worry about as well.

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It's funny that you mention Duchene for a package centered around Staal. I wouldn't move Staal for JUST Duchene, a player with his own injury concerns to worry about as well.
That's understandable--but I'm certain Colorado fans would say the same. A history concussions is considerably more concerning than a history of leg injuries.

I'm neutral in this. But Duchene's value pretty clearly exceeds Staal's in my mind. McDonagh is a better comparable--if you want to put him off limits, that's fine, but I really don't think it is reasonable to except to acquire a "franchise" player--e.g., look at the billboards in Colorado, etc.--for something other than a franchise-caliber player (McDonagh).

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Basically I was stating that if we are looking at Colorado to upgrade our offence by using one of our top 3 defenceman, I would not want either Duchene or Stastny and I would target Landeskog. Additionally I would look to move Staal to get that done.

Knowing full well that the mention of Landeskog is a non starter just as much as the mention of McDonagh's name is also a non-starter for the Rangers.

It's funny that you mention Duchene for a package centered around Staal. I wouldn't move Staal for JUST Duchene, a player with his own injury concerns to worry about as well.
The only reason there are concerns with Staal's injury is because he had a concussion. There are no such concerns with Duchene.

I adore Staal but he if he doesnt show any lingering effects then I think he is well worth Duchene but as of now I think Duchene is worth more.


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