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05-31-2012, 02:39 PM
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Jaromir Jagr - best winger of the modern era?

Is Jagr the best winger of the modern era? Let's put the cut-off at players born in the year 1960 or later (Jagr himself was born in 1972). If not, who is/was better?


Edit: forgot to post a poll, and you can't edit them in, so just post your answer.

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05-31-2012, 03:02 PM
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Yup, and I don't think it's really that close. The other top RWs (Howe, Richard, Lafleur, Bossy) were all born before 1960, and LW is generally a weak position with only Hull and maybe Lindsay being near Jags, and they're both before 1960 as well.

I think the more interesting question would be who's number 2. Selanne, Brett Hull, Kurri and maybe Ovechkin would probably be the options.

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05-31-2012, 03:06 PM
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Yes, Jagr is the best. I don't even know who else you could make an argument for? Brett Hull? Mike Bossy?

EDIT: Nevermind, apparently Bossy was born before 1960 ^^^

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Yup, and I don't think it's really that close. The other top RWs (Howe, Richard, Lafleur, Bossy) were all born before 1960, and LW is generally a weak position with only Hull and maybe Lindsay being near Jags, and they're both before 1960 as well.


I think the more interesting question would be who's number 2. Selanne, Brett Hull, Kurri and maybe Ovechkin would probably be the options.
Agreed. It really illustrates how most of Canada's best forwards started being centers at some point (I guess all the best Canadian talent was used at either C or D after a certain point), while the Europeans kept producing elite talents

As to your second point, I wanted to say "sergei makarov if you're including non-NHL careers," but he was born in 1958.

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05-31-2012, 06:26 PM
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Him or Brett Hull. Personally I think Brett Hull, an 86 goal season is hard to argue with.

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Him or Brett Hull. Personally I think Brett Hull, an 86 goal season is hard to argue with.
5 Art Rosses vs none is also pretty hard to argue with

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Agreed. It really illustrates how most of Canada's best forwards started being centers at some point (I guess all the best Canadian talent was used at either C or D after a certain point), while the Europeans kept producing elite talents

As to your second point, I wanted to say "sergei makarov if you're including non-NHL careers," but he was born in 1958.
This is an excellent point, who even is the best Canadian winger born from 1960 onwards? Brett Hull almost counts, though I'd classify him as an American. Other than that, all of the top wingers I can think of are European (Selanne, Bure, Kurri, Naslund, Alfredsson, or guys from the younger generation like Ovechkin, Hossa, Kovalchuk, etc.). I'm trying to come up with the best Canadian wingers born from 1960 onwards, and I think the best is probably Shanahan, with guys like Recchi, Neely and Iggy being up there too. Canada certainly produces an insane number of elite centers, dmen and goalies, but explosive offensive wingers, not so much.

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Mario played, perhaps, 30% of his career at wing, but other than that, Jagr's the best wing of the modern era running away.

And like someone else said, it's sort of odd that edit a disproportionate amount /edit the AAA talent in the sport at wing comes from europe. It's been that way for a long long time. Even the best NA wingers tend to be centers that converted after turning pro.

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I'm trying to come up with the best Canadian wingers born from 1960 onwards, and I think the best is probably Shanahan, with guys like Recchi, Neely and Iggy being up there too.
top 10 might include Fleury, Kariya, St. Louis, Robitaille, Goulet

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top 10 might include Fleury, Kariya, St. Louis, Robitaille, Goulet
My vote for top Canadian winger born 1960 or after.

As far as the poll goes, yes. Jagr is the best winger of the modern era if we don't count Lemieux and Sakic's short stints on the wing.

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06-01-2012, 03:23 PM
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Yea probably Jags, then Bossy Hull and Selanne

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Ovechkin has fallen off but quite dominant.
Selanne great career.
Alfredsson great two-way player.
Lucky Luc insanely dominant.


Jagr is fantastic though...one of my all-time favorites.

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Without a doubt Jagr is the best winger with a birthdate after 1960. He trounces all the competition - Kurri, Hull, Selanne, etc.

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5 Art Rosses vs none is also pretty hard to argue with
Touche, in fact if you just solely look at stats its very easy to argue that Jagr is better. Then if you watch them play its a no brainer.

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He's the best winger born after the 1930s

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06-02-2012, 12:47 PM
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He's the best winger born after the 1930s
Pretty arguable. Guy Lafleur? Mike Bossy?

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I was never a fan of Jagr until he came to the Rangers. When the guy's on your team he's just intoxicating. He became all time favorite in a matter of 3 years. I still love the guy.

I'll say yes. 5 Art Ross trophies is ridiculous. I also love the way he matured and became a great teammate with age. I was afraid when we first got him because he had this silly reputation but he was a great captain.

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yes.

He is a top 10 player of all-time.

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Pretty arguable. Guy Lafleur? Mike Bossy?
Bossy doesn't come close to Jagr. Lafleur is very close but his prime was too short. Jagr at his best was just as good and he had more elite seasons.

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He's the best winger born after the 1930s
Basically.

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hate him... but yes, and by a significant margin.

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He's the best winger born after the 1930s
I agree with this.

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Yes, easily.

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