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05-31-2012, 06:03 PM
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NAHL draft question

Draft was today and I see they drafted players out of the USHL. Are they lower level players who would like to play in the NAHL for more ice time, etc? !st overal pick was from the USHL

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Draft was today and I see they drafted players out of the USHL. Are they lower level players who would like to play in the NAHL for more ice time, etc? !st overal pick was from the USHL
I would assume so yes. USHL teams have to submit their protected lists prior to the USHL draft. If a player is left off a protected list and is not taken by another USHL team in the draft one would assume they would be a smart pick for NAHL teams.


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I am not exactly sure how this works, because I thought affiliate list players are protected player by USHL. A Cedar Rapids affiliate player Ryan McMurphy (Dallas Stars u18) was drafted in the second round today.

McMurphy skated for 3 games with CR last year.

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I am not exactly sure how this works, because I thought affiliate list players are protected player by USHL. A Cedar Rapids affiliate player Ryan McMurphy (Dallas Stars u18) was drafted in the second round today.

McMurphy skated for 3 games with CR last year.
I believe affiliate list players are typically the players a team expect to be the future of the organization. Players on the affiliate list are able to play in something like up to 6 or 7 games a year. The protected list are the players the team intends to play in an upcoming season. So essentially this would be returning players a team intends to keep and any affiliate list players they plan having play all year. The teams would then draft accordingly to get their rosters up to 30. (7 returing players+5 affilate listers-30roster spots=18 draft picks) At that point teams are able to deleniate who they want to put back on affiliate lists and etc. And a player is only protected in the teams league who protected them. For example Ryan McMurphy from CR is only protected in the USHL, so no other USHL teams can select him. However, other leagues could select him and put them on their protected list, for their league.

I know there is more to it, this is just a small summation.


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What I find weird is the first overall pick is Dan Sherer who had 10 points in 44 games in the USHL. But then what's weirder is he already played in the NAHL for Amarillo. Sorry I'm Canadian so I don't really know much about American hockey, just seems weird to me.

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What I find weird is the first overall pick is Dan Sherer who had 10 points in 44 games in the USHL. But then what's weirder is he already played in the NAHL for Amarillo. Sorry I'm Canadian so I don't really know much about American hockey, just seems weird to me.
Ya I hear ya, it is confusing. Just because he was drafted again in the NAHL dosent mean he wont play in the USHL next year. But, you would think they wouldnt waste a #1 pick on someone they werent sure was gunna play for them next year.

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Ya I hear ya, it is confusing. Just because he was drafted again in the NAHL dosent mean he wont play in the USHL next year. But, you would think they wouldnt waste a #1 pick on someone they werent sure was gunna play for them next year.
Like is this a junior league or a semi-professional?

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Like is this a junior league or a semi-professional?
Juniors

USHL is Tier 1 (highest jr's)

NAHL is Tier 2

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Juniors

USHL is Tier 1 (highest jr's)

NAHL is Tier 2
oh okay thanks! Still doesn't make sense then.

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Yea. This doesn't make sense. But if the GMs know the rules it might work.

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What I find weird is the first overall pick is Dan Sherer who had 10 points in 44 games in the USHL. But then what's weirder is he already played in the NAHL for Amarillo. Sorry I'm Canadian so I don't really know much about American hockey, just seems weird to me.
I'm not really familiar with the Canadian systems of junior rights, but the USHL/NAHL relationship is not unlike the CHL/CJAHL relationship. Mitch Meek, for example, is protected property of Edmonton of the WHL and (until the end of the season) Cowichan Valley of the BCHL. It's basically a higher/lower league relationship, with the higher league hanging on to rights a little longer.

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oh okay thanks! Still doesn't make sense then.
Tier I vs. Tier II is largely semantic IMHO in terms of NCAA amateurism. That being said, the USHL is a MUCH better league.

The NAHL draft establishes the rights of teams to certain players as they relate to other NAHL teams. If an NAHL team drafts you and for whatever reason you want to play (or end up) in the NAHL, they hold your rights. It does not obligate a player to play in the NAHL. I have always been under the impression that NAHL teams pick kids with back USHL class with the hope (rather than expectation) that they end up in the NAHL (i.e. released from their USHL team). You will even see teams draft players who have already committed to certain NCAA schools as odd as that might seem.

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I understand how players thay aren't protected can be drafted by other leagues, but it is the drafting of a teams affilliate player that has me baffled. Affiliate players of the USHL are protected by the team and therefore property of them. I was caught off guard seeing McMurphy drafted.

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That being said, the USHL is a MUCH better league .
In terms of player talent, yea.

In terms of organization and professionalism? The NAHL blows the USHL out of the water. In an ideal world, the "powers that be" in the NAHL should be running the ship in the USHL.

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I understand how players thay aren't protected can be drafted by other leagues, but it is the drafting of a teams affilliate player that has me baffled. Affiliate players of the USHL are protected by the team and therefore property of them. I was caught off guard seeing McMurphy drafted.
I understand what you are saying, but just because a player is on a USHL affiliate list doesn't mean they can't be drafted by a NAHL club. I believe a lot of NAHL teams took gambles with their draft picks yesterday. Yes, some of the USHL players drafted may not have been protected which made them prime selections in the NAHL draft. Some players drafted could still be protected by their USHL clubs, but the NAHL teams drafted them in hopes that they don't make the team and will want to play hockey somewhere else (ie NAHL).

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In terms of player talent, yea.

In terms of organization and professionalism? The NAHL blows the USHL out of the water. In an ideal world, the "powers that be" in the NAHL should be running the ship in the USHL.

Yeah, I was just speaking of player talent. I think the NAHL still does a good job, however, with tenders. My only knock on the league is its geographic scope and number of teams. With the growth of hockey in the states it needs a wider footprint than it had back in the early 90s, but it could still stand to shed some teams.

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The other big factor is that a kid like Sherer will be a 20 y/o overager next year. Because the USHL is Tier I, they're limited to four overage roster spots, whereas the NAHL, as a Tier II league, can have as many as they want. So every year the NAHL picks up a couple overagers from the USHL or CHL.

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I understand what you are saying, but just because a player is on a USHL affiliate list doesn't mean they can't be drafted by a NAHL club. I believe a lot of NAHL teams took gambles with their draft picks yesterday. Yes, some of the USHL players drafted may not have been protected which made them prime selections in the NAHL draft. Some players drafted could still be protected by their USHL clubs, but the NAHL teams drafted them in hopes that they don't make the team and will want to play hockey somewhere else (ie NAHL).
Makes sense....thanks!

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I would agree on some that may go play in the NAHL if drafted. But look at the #7 pick, Hrabovsky was the most improved player and top D-man for Tri City this past season. Would find it hard to believe he would go to NAHL.

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I would agree on some that may go play in the NAHL if drafted. But look at the #7 pick, Hrabovsky was the most improved player and top D-man for Tri City this past season. Would find it hard to believe he would go to NAHL.
Especially since the Storm re-drafted him a week earlier in the Entry Draft. I don't get the point of these drafts myself.

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Especially since the Storm re-drafted him a week earlier in the Entry Draft. I don't get the point of these drafts myself.
I don't always get how they run them, but I understand the point of them... parity.

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