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06-01-2012, 04:02 PM
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It would still count against the cap because it was a 35+ deal.
There are plenty of low spending teams that would like to have that 5M Cap Hit on their payroll paying 0$.

He he does really take a year off, then just give him away to one of these teams to free up that 5M.

Watching on Capgeek, the Avs have only 23M commited for next year. Chia will gladly help them raise this by 5M...

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Can we bury his cap hit on LTIR?

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because of the breach of contract thing and you seemed bent about it...Things come up greater then hockey I guess. He'll lose 3 million in real dollars, not 5 mil fake dollars in cap space. Would you rather he just played and collected his money but was miserable worrying about his family or sat here when maybe he should be trying to fix things... Dude could have another 40 years of life left, maybe he's trying to set himself up for real life.
No doubt they do, but that still doesn't mean it's not a breach. I don't really have much of an opinion at the moment to be honest, there's still not really enough insight out there into his reasoning.

However, there's a sliver of irony in a staunch Constitutionalist breaching his contract, if it does indeed qualify as such (he said with a smile and no interest in engaging anyone in a political debate).

One thing you can say about Thomas- never a dull moment. He seems as unorthodox off the ice as he is on at times.

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I look back at Dom's posts in this thread, and can't help but think, "yup". If folks think he's selfish and that's all there is to it, then the easy answer is "selfish people don't leave 3 million on the table". We may not know the exact specific reason why he's doing it, we may never know, but it's really not that hard to figure out the main jist when you look at the information we do have.

Money and Career < Family. I'd expect nothing else from a player I consider one of the few good role models left.
This should really be the last post in this thread, because it says all that needs to be said.

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I look back at Dom's posts in this thread, and can't help but think, "yup". If folks think he's selfish and that's all there is to it, then the easy answer is "selfish people don't leave 3 million on the table". We may not know the exact specific reason why he's doing it, we may never know, but it's really not that hard to figure out the main jist when you look at the information we do have.

Money and Career < Family. I'd expect nothing else from a player I consider one of the few good role models left.
He's got millions of dollars, won a silver medal, two Vezinas, a Conn Smyth and the Stanley Cup.. He's also older and probably not as motivated to play as badly after winning it all after the life he had. His kids are right about the age where as a dad I imagine you really want to be there for them (teens?). Seems like the perfect time to call it quits.

He probably just woke up and realized he's accomplished everything he ever dreamed of accomplishing and would like to spend the rest of his time with his family instead of forcing himself through his final contract year.

I guess I don't understand why to some people this is "ending his career on a ****** note". Seems like a decent note to end on to me. The only people making this out to be controversial and awful is the Boston Media. Not surprising.

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i'm sure the Islanders would love the extra $5m to get to the capfloor without having to pay him.

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No doubt they do, but that still doesn't mean it's not a breach. I don't really have much of an opinion at the moment to be honest, there's still not really enough insight out there into his reasoning.

However, there's a sliver of irony in a staunch Constitutionalist breaching his contract, if it does indeed qualify as such (he said with a smile and no interest in engaging anyone in a political debate).

One thing you can say about Thomas- never a dull moment. He seems as unorthodox off the ice as he is on at times.
Yeah it would have been better received IMO had he announced his retirement...

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06-01-2012, 04:08 PM
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No doubt they do, but that still doesn't mean it's not a breach. I don't really have much of an opinion at the moment to be honest, there's still not really enough insight out there into his reasoning.

However, there's a sliver of irony in a staunch Constitutionalist breaching his contract, if it does indeed qualify as such (he said with a smile and no interest in engaging anyone in a political debate).

One thing you can say about Thomas- never a dull moment. He seems as unorthodox off the ice as he is on at times.
I don't see the irony.

The penalty for breaching his contract or not showing up to training camp is not getting paid.
The penalty for breaching my Dish contract is having to pay the remaining months of my contract... which I did.

Why do we care if he's breaching his contract?

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What we know about Tim Thomas:

1. He's insanely competitive.
2. He went through hell to make it to the NHL.
3. He loves to play hockey.
4. He is considering taking a year off from hockey.
5. He has a family that includes several children and aging parents (and in-laws).
6. If he does take a year off from hockey, he will leave $3 million on the table.
7. He's alway been appreciative of Bruins fans, and from what I have witnessed, of his teammates.

What we don't know about Tim Thomas:

1. The reason why he's considering taking a year off. However, both Chiarelli and Paille alluded to family issues.

Speculation:

1. Taking time off to somehow hurt the Bruins makes little sense. Why? What's the motive? That Thomas is a jerk?
2. Giving up $3 million makes less sense.
3. This does not increase his value as an FA. If anything, it worsens it.

Logically, the conclusion must be that Chiarelli and Paille are right, and that Thomas is dealing with serious family issues.

And any local media members who give him **** about what's happening can go piss up a ****ing rope. Like Danny Paille gives a damn about his re-signing press conference. Good lord.

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I have always been a fan of Timmys, and I will be forever thankful to him for leading us to a Cup. I feel for him if he has family issues. With that being said though, he did sign a contract to play for the Bruins and if he doesn't play he is not fulfilling it.

In the team's best interest, he should temporarily retire so that his money comes off the cap. Then next year, he can re-think his situation and decide if he wants to come back.

Edit: After further reading in this thread, it appears that even if he retires his money doesn't come off the cap. Nevermind.

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He's got millions of dollars, won a silver medal, two Vezinas, a Conn Smyth and the Stanley Cup.. He's also older and probably not as motivated to play as badly after winning it all after the life he had. His kids are right about the age where as a dad I imagine you really want to be there for them (teens?). Seems like the perfect time to call it quits.

He probably just woke up and realized he's accomplished everything he ever dreamed of accomplishing and would like to spend the rest of his time with his family instead of forcing himself through his final contract year.

I guess I don't understand why to some people this is "ending his career on a ****** note". Seems like a decent note to end on to me. The only people making this out to be controversial and awful is the Boston Media. Not surprising.
Rick, as a Bruins fan, you can't see how this hurts the team a bit? Aside from what you consider more important?

1. Rask's agent is drooling puddles right now.
2. Thomas could have probably got us a decent return on the trade market.
3. We're stuck with his cap hit, which limits the team (if I recall what I read correctly).
4. If he wasn't dealt, the #1 goalie just bolted on the team.

As Bruins fans, you can't see why that might leave a slightly sour taste in some people's mouth? It hurts the team a bit, whether or not his reasoning trumps that stuff aside...

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I call BS!! The bruins were more than fair to him when they signed him to that contract and they did it as a part of showing their appriciation for what he did just the year before taking a chance not knowing he would be the goalie he is today.

Way to bite the hand that feeds you.

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I have always been a fan of Timmys, and I will be forever thankful to him for leading us to a Cup. I feel for him if he has family issues. With that being said though, he did sign a contract to play for the Bruins and if he doesn't play he is not fulfilling it.

In the team's best interest, he should temporarily retire so that his money comes off the cap. Then next year, he can re-think his situation and decide if he wants to come back.
If he retires, temporarily or permanently, his money stays on the cap.

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06-01-2012, 04:14 PM
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Rick, as a Bruins fan, you can't see how this hurts the team a bit? Aside from what you consider more important?

1. Rask's agent is drooling puddles right now.
2. Thomas could have probably got us a decent return on the trade market.
3. We're stuck with his cap hit, which limits the team (if I recall what I read correctly).
4. If he wasn't dealt, the #1 goalie just bolted on the team.

As Bruins fans, you can't see why that might leave a slightly sour taste in some people's mouth? It hurts the team a bit, whether or not his reasoning trumps that stuff aside...
Rask's agent and Thomas's agent are the same person.

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1. Rask's agent is drooling puddles right now.
I don't really get this point that more than a few have brought up. Rask is psyched now since the job is his, so why would he do anything except sign with the team and be handed the starting job? He's an RFA so it's not as if he's gonna take Chia to the cleaners with his contract.

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Peter Chiarelli says if Thomas doesn't play he'd be suspended and still on cap. Would use Savard's hit as cap relief.

So Timmy's salary counting on the cap but the Bruins suspend Thomas and still pay his salary? OOG help !!!
B's wouldn't pay him. He'd get no money. But the team would have his cap hit on their cap.

Again, when they signed him to a 35+ contract they were wedded to $5m no matter what (ok 4.9m if they sent him to the AHL). I tried to tell people at the time that those 35+ are killers. Now, I was wrong because the guy won us a Cup, but this is the end result. It was still worth signing him but there are now consequences.

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Rick, as a Bruins fan, you can't see how this hurts the team a bit? Aside from what you consider more important?

1. Rask's agent is drooling puddles right now.
2. Thomas could have probably got us a decent return on the trade market.
3. We're stuck with his cap hit, which limits the team (if I recall what I read correctly).
4. If he wasn't dealt, the #1 goalie just bolted on the team.

As Bruins fans, you can't see why that might leave a slightly sour taste in some people's mouth? It hurts the team a bit, whether or not his reasoning trumps that stuff aside...
As a fan, I'm disappointed he won't be helping the Bruins win games. he was my favorite Bruin without a doubt.

However, to every single one of those number points: Why does Thomas care?
You think while he was mulling over this decision, thoughts of Rask's/his agent drifted through his head? "Oh **** I can't take a year off, the Bruins may have to pay more to Tuukka!"

I mean, really? Does it suck for us as fans? I guess? Maybe? I don't know. I guess I'd be more concerned about it if we were up against the cap. but we're not. Putting Savard on LTIR will negate Thomas' contract, Khudobin will cost less and if we ever decide to sign a top 6 scorer, we'll still have space to do that too so I'm not really seeing us getting handcuffed here.

And even if we were, that's none of Thomas' concern. I'm guessing family trumps a cap issue.

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Rask's agent and Thomas's agent are the same person.
Ok, he's still just seen the former's next contract increase substantially. I guess the argument could be made that the increase there will be off-set by the loss if TT doesn't sign another deal after this season, but it still hurts the Bruins at least (they have to pay Tuukka more).

My point was that some Bruins fans could see this as less than optimal for the team, and them having the same agent doesn't really negate that.

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What if they waive him and then he retires? Would his salary count against the cap then, or would he have to clear, then retire?

Pretty sure them agreeing to do it that way is a form of circumvention violation though.

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I call BS!! The bruins were more than fair to him when they signed him to that contract and they did it as a part of showing their appriciation for what he did just the year before taking a chance not knowing he would be the goalie he is today.

Way to bite the hand that feeds you.
Thomas just about single handedly won us the Cup.

Okay that was hyperbole but there's no way the Bruins win the Cup without his heroics. That's as close to a stone cold fact as you're going to get.

Thomas owes the Bruins NOTHING.

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Are they allowed to bury him in the minors?
No cap relief for over 35 contracts by sending him to the minors.

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As a fan, I'm disappointed he won't be helping the Bruins win games. he was my favorite Bruin without a doubt.

However, to every single one of those number points: Why does Thomas care?
You think while he was mulling over this decision, thoughts of Rask's agent drifted through his head. "Oh **** I can't take a year off, the Bruins may have to pay more to Tuukka!"

I mean, really? Does it suck for us as fans? I guess? Maybe? I don't know. I guess I'd be more concerned about it if we were up against the cap. but we're not. Putting Savard on LTIR will negate Thomas' contract, Khudobin will cost less and if we ever decide to sign a top 6 scorer, we'll still have space to do that too so I'm not really seeing us getting handcuffed here.

And even if we were, that's none of Thomas' concern. I'm guessing family trumps a cap issue.
My point wasn't how any of those implications affect Thomas, it was why those implications might leave Bruins fans a bit sour. The obvious response to that is to say "Well, he won those fans a Cup", and there's some truth to that. I'm not advocating hate for the guy, just saying that Bruins fans are going to be torn on this, as it hampers the team a bit, no matter how you cut it.

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Ok, he's still just seen the former's next contract increase substantially. I guess the argument could be made that the increase there will be off-set by the loss if TT doesn't sign another deal after this season, but it still hurts the Bruins at least (they have to pay Tuukka more).

My point was that some Bruins fans could see this as less than optimal for the team, and them having the same agent doesn't really negate that.
It's less than optimal, sure. But I don't see it handcuffing Chia in any way.

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No cap relief for over 35 contracts by sending him to the minors.
You're right. But there is a cap relief sending them for free to another team who wants to reach the floor without having to pay the actual cap hit...

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