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06-13-2012, 09:31 PM
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He has played some center for Carolina each of the last two seasons. What proportions or which he prefers I have no idea.
Not sure why you would doubt it. Have you seen his creativity with the puck and his ability to move through / split seams? If they decided to put him there he'd make a great C. Or a great W. Doesn't really matter. He'll produce either way.

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06-13-2012, 09:40 PM
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He has played some center for Carolina each of the last two seasons. What proportions or which he prefers I have no idea.
Not sure why you would doubt it. Have you seen his creativity with the puck and his ability to move through / split seams? If they decided to put him there he'd make a great C. Or a great W. Doesn't really matter. He'll produce either way.
He has no problem offensively but defensively's he not good at centre. I don't think there is any benefit to him at centre offensively compared to wing so you end up sacrificing defence for no reason.

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06-13-2012, 09:46 PM
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He has no problem offensively but defensively's he not good at centre. I don't think there is any benefit to him at centre offensively compared to wing so you end up sacrificing defence for no reason.
He's a little undersized and in his second year... give him some slack. I'm sure eventually his D will round into form although he'll never be someone who can step in and shut down because he's too small.

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06-13-2012, 10:28 PM
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If Martin gets traded it is because of cap space, because he's not a great fit here and because we can potentially replace him from within. He is NOT being traded because he's a bad hockey player.
Semantics. He's a bad Penguin at this time, a bad cap hit and a redundant defenseman.

Are we a better team without Paul Martin? Taking EVERYTHING into account, 1,000 times YES.

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06-13-2012, 11:26 PM
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Guarantee you if we put Staal on Geno's wing and let him do his own thing like he already does, he breaks out and has a great year and comes back for long term for around 5.5 - 6.0 million

He's ideal for Geno. They have chemistry and he can spell Malkin and vice versa.

Seriously, don't let this dude walk for no reason. He's a star in the making. Now turn him into one!

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06-13-2012, 11:30 PM
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The only deal in the trade board Staal thread worth a lick is this:

Pominville
Adam

for

Staal
Kennedy

Now if we were inclined to deal Staal, that's the sort of return that would make me think.

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06-13-2012, 11:32 PM
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If we do move Staal, I really like the idea of Pominville. RH shot for Sid, in his prime, great on the PP, creative with the puck and can play the point on the PP.

Kunitz-Crosby-Pominville
Tangradi-Malkin-Neal

A lot of potential...

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06-13-2012, 11:34 PM
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The only deal in the trade board Staal thread worth a lick is this:

Pominville
Adam

for

Staal
Kennedy

Now if we were inclined to deal Staal, that's the sort of return that would make me think.
Great minds...

Pominville is EXACTLY what this team needs offensively. Someone who can create on his own from the wing, carry the puck so teams can't key in on Sid, a RH shot, decent contract, 29 years old and can man the point on the PP.

Kunitz-Crosby-Pominville....

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06-13-2012, 11:41 PM
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Great minds...

Pominville is EXACTLY what this team needs offensively. Someone who can create on his own from the wing, carry the puck so teams can't key in on Sid, a RH shot, decent contract, 29 years old and can man the point on the PP.

Kunitz-Crosby-Pominville....
Definitely. Adam - a big strapping center with skill and grit - just makes the deal perfect.

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06-13-2012, 11:55 PM
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Great minds...

Pominville is EXACTLY what this team needs offensively. Someone who can create on his own from the wing, carry the puck so teams can't key in on Sid, a RH shot, decent contract, 29 years old and can man the point on the PP.

Kunitz-Crosby-Pominville....
We would gain offense for the sake of 5 on 5 play & defense which is what the team lacks. He is also not as good of a playoff performer as Staal has turned into.

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06-14-2012, 12:01 AM
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Cap hits 70M

Pens get Pomers, Parise. Martin traded for cap space.

Parise-Crosby-Pominville

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We would gain offense for the sake of 5 on 5 play & defense which is what the team lacks. He is also not as good of a playoff performer as Staal has turned into.
Pominville is exactly what we need offensively. We need a player who can create on his own to take some pressure off of 87, a RH shot, a great PP player and in his prime. Pominville is one of the players who literally, can make it so our top 6 is pretty much uncontainable.

I think Staal defensively can be replaced, and offensively, quite frankly Pominville is the better player. So if you can add a defensive center (maybe a McClement?) and Pominville, you are a better hockey team.

Don't forget though, most importantly, you are putting your most important player in a position to succeed.

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Cap hits 70M

Pens get Pomers, Parise. Martin traded for cap space.

Parise-Crosby-Pominville
If we got Pominville, I'm not sure we'd need any added offense. I'd rather take that money and look at an impact defender. A top 6 of:

Kunitz-Crosby-Pominville
(player received in deal for Martin or Tangradi)-Malkin-Neal

Should be able to just obliterate teams.

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06-14-2012, 12:05 AM
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If we got Pominville, I'm not sure we'd need any added offense. I'd rather take that money and look at an impact defender. A top 6 of:

Kunitz-Crosby-Pominville
(player received in deal for Martin or Tangradi)-Malkin-Neal

Should be able to just obliterate teams.
Martin and Niskanen for cap space, sign Suter.

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06-14-2012, 12:13 AM
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Martin and Niskanen for cap space, sign Suter.
Kunitz-Crosby-Pominville
Tangradi-Malkin-Neal
Cooke-Adam-Dupuis
Jeffrey-Vitale-Adams

Letang-Orpik
Suter-Michalek
Engelland-Despres

Fleury
Vokoun

Amazing team....

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06-14-2012, 12:15 AM
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Martin and Niskanen for cap space, sign Suter.
Kunitz-Crosby-Pominville
Tangradi-Malkin-Neal
Cooke-Adam-Dupuis
Jeffrey-Vitale-Adams

Letang-Orpik
Suter-Michalek
Engelland-Despres

Fleury
Vokoun

Amazing team.... Only hole I see is the bottom 6 could use a bit more size which you could always add at the deadline.

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06-14-2012, 01:02 AM
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Kunitz-Crosby-Pominville
Tangradi-Malkin-Neal
Cooke-Adam-Dupuis
Jeffrey-Vitale-Adams

Letang-Orpik
Suter-Michalek
Engelland-Despres

Fleury
Vokoun

Amazing team.... Only hole I see is the bottom 6 could use a bit more size which you could always add at the deadline.
Impressive D, but Letang would be 2nd pairing.

Suter-Orpik
Letang-Michalek
Eng-Despres
Strait

Then a few years from now?

Suter-Despres
Letang-Morrow
Harrington-Strait

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Guarantee you if we put Staal on Geno's wing and let him do his own thing like he already does, he breaks out and has a great year and comes back for long term for around 5.5 - 6.0 million

He's ideal for Geno. They have chemistry and he can spell Malkin and vice versa.

Seriously, don't let this dude walk for no reason. He's a star in the making. Now turn him into one!
Agree. We have Staal, we need a winger. 1+1. He can do it. And we can invest that kind of money as a top-6, but not as 3C.

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06-14-2012, 04:14 AM
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Cap hits 70M

Pens get Pomers, Parise. Martin traded for cap space.

Parise-Crosby-Pominville
The PCP line, has a ring to it.

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I think Staal sucks on the wing. For that one good stretch as a rookie there are many more where he played horrible there and got relegated back to 3rd line C. Playing wing just doesn't fit his skill set very well. He's a center.

We can either afford to pay Staal to play 3rd line C and maybe find creative ways to increase his offense by double shifting him with top 6 guys more frequently and increasing his PP time or we trade him. No point in forcing him to the wing full time when we can probably just get a hell of a winger for him in trade. Why even bother trying to fit that square peg through a round hole?

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06-14-2012, 06:03 AM
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Kunitz-Crosby-Pominville
Malone-Malkin-Neal
Cooke-Adam-Dupuis
Tangradi-Vitale-Adams
Jeffrey

Letang-Orpik
Suter-Michalek
Engelland-Despres

Fleury
Vokoun

Amazing team.... Only hole I see is the bottom 6 could use a bit more size which you could always add at the deadline.
Done. Tangradi will learn to use his size more if he's not ideal in top-6. He just has to play with grit and skate hard.

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Semantics. He's a bad Penguin at this time, a bad cap hit and a redundant defenseman.

Are we a better team without Paul Martin? Taking EVERYTHING into account, 1,000 times YES.
I want him to be traded. I was basically commenting on two things.

1. He does have value.
2. I don't want to trade him just to replace him with another 4-5 mil defenseman. If we fix the d system to match the players on the roster, there is a good chance Paul Martin is a better player than whoever is coming back unless we go all out on Suter.

I don't want to see a major change or addition on defense. I don't want anything that makes it appear to Dan Bylsma that Shero believes the roster was the problem on D. I want Shero to tell Bylsma straight up that this D roster is good and that he damn well better make the changes that prove it. This same defense was one of the best 2 years ago. If you can't come up with something new, figure out what was changed from 2011 to 2012 and un-change it.

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Definitely. Adam - a big strapping center with skill and grit - just makes the deal perfect.
Adam is about 6'2, 210 - not really that big or "strapping". He's also not a defensive-oriented player or particularly gritty, from the viewings I've seen. I think you're overselling him in that sense. I don't really see him effectively replacing any of Staal's defensive assignments or his PK-ing.

I like Pominville but I'm not sure about a deal like this, would still rather see Staal re-signed.

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6'2 210 is just about Neal's size. That's pretty big.

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Adam is about 6'2, 210 - not really that big or "strapping". He's also not a defensive-oriented player or particularly gritty, from the viewings I've seen. I think you're overselling him in that sense. I don't really see him effectively replacing any of Staal's defensive assignments or his PK-ing.

I like Pominville but I'm not sure about a deal like this, would still rather see Staal re-signed.
Ya from what ive seen from Adam so far, i think he'd make a better W than a C

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