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11-19-2012, 07:36 PM
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Hey Folks sorry to hear about Murray. Wish him speedy recovery.

Thought I would share something I read about one of your prospects. Brock Otten (who posts on HF) and is very knowledgeable about the OHL has a tidbit about Jenner (on his blog). Says might be best prospect in the OHL this year. Thought I would share......
Thanks, and thanks for the kind words!

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11-20-2012, 09:12 AM
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Word on Murray?

Have they determined if the shoulder seperation requires surgery? How badly was he injured?

I would like to believe that with the pressure of a season off he will be afforded the best medical care possible, and the best recovery regimen. We need this kid & his on ice maturity. I know he is young but some have that ability to slow down the game and some don't.

God bless young Ryan,

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11-20-2012, 05:50 PM
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Ryan Murray looks extremely doubtful for WJC and possibly big chunk, if not all of, season. Small tear in (shoulder) labrum. Surgery likely.

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11-20-2012, 07:18 PM
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If surgery is required, expect him to miss 4-6 months, pretty much wiping out his entire season. If he can get by without surgery, I'd still say that his chances of playing in the WJCs in late December are pretty much non-existent. This is a horrible bit of bad luck - hopefully he can make a full recovery.

Supposed to meet with the CBJ doctors early next week to discuss options.

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11-20-2012, 07:19 PM
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That's really going to help his development.

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11-20-2012, 08:31 PM
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Wasn't he once a Jacket prospect?

http://www.tsn.ca/fantasy_news/feature/?ID=11686


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11-20-2012, 08:35 PM
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Normally I don't get that passionate or involved in the forum debates, its nice to talk hockey and share info on your favorite team, but I feel that something needs to be said (not that it will make any difference or change anyone's opinion)

Begin Rant:

Ryan Murray's career is not over, this is an injury not a death sentence to his career. In fact this is a relatively minor injury from all accounts (no broken bones, not a complete destruction of the ligaments). Most hockey players have these types of injuries and worse through their careers, it is a result of skating at 25+ miles per hour on ice and slamming into hard objects while using sticks to smack hard rubber at 90+ mph. Murray isn't even 20 yet and many CBJ fans are already saying this will make him a bust or it will ruin his development. This isn't tommy john surgery (and even that is now not a death sentence to a career given medical advances) it is a precautionary measure to 1) learn how extensively the labrum was torn and 2) stabilize the shoulder to decrease the liklihood of further injures. Yes the Jackets picked him, that doesn't mean that he will automatically be a bust because something happened to him. Look at the vaunted Galchenyuk who we "should" have picked, a guy who destroyed his ACL endangering his skating ability, that more significant injury was nothing to worry about, but this more minor shoulder injury is a deathblow to the kids career.

As all fans of the Jackets know we have had an epic run of bad luck the last year or so (Carter Fiasco, Last place season, losing draft lottery, Losing Nash, etc.) But just because things haven't gone well doesn't mean that we aren't going to turn them around. We have said for years we need to build from the crease out. We have built a good stable of D-men and D-prospects and murray can still become one of the best D-men in the league. Just because the Jackets picked him doesn't mean every bad thing that happens is going to ruin development.

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In closing thank you for your time, and remember being a fan is easy when your winning, hard when your losing, and rewarding when you stick with it.

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11-20-2012, 08:56 PM
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Wasn't he once a Jacket prospect?

http://www.tsn.ca/fantasy_news/feature/?ID=11686

I think he's an overager now

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11-20-2012, 09:24 PM
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Wasn't he once a Jacket prospect?

http://www.tsn.ca/fantasy_news/feature/?ID=11686

He fell off the map after we drafted him, and was even passed over in the 2012 draft. No love lost for us IMO.

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11-20-2012, 10:49 PM
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Wasn't he once a Jacket prospect?

http://www.tsn.ca/fantasy_news/feature/?ID=11686

It's fairly common for overage players to dominate in the CHL. Had he done this a year or two ago, we would have had reason to get excited.

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11-21-2012, 04:21 AM
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Oh labrum tear. That's basically 6 months. Well he can skate most of the time and start shooting maybe around 4-5 month mark.

Unless it's really small tear, maybe faster then. But I hope he's not rushed. Minimize the damage.


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11-21-2012, 09:09 AM
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Normally I don't get that passionate or involved in the forum debates, its nice to talk hockey and share info on your favorite team, but I feel that something needs to be said (not that it will make any difference or change anyone's opinion)

Begin Rant:

Ryan Murray's career is not over, this is an injury not a death sentence to his career. In fact this is a relatively minor injury from all accounts (no broken bones, not a complete destruction of the ligaments). Most hockey players have these types of injuries and worse through their careers, it is a result of skating at 25+ miles per hour on ice and slamming into hard objects while using sticks to smack hard rubber at 90+ mph. Murray isn't even 20 yet and many CBJ fans are already saying this will make him a bust or it will ruin his development. This isn't tommy john surgery (and even that is now not a death sentence to a career given medical advances) it is a precautionary measure to 1) learn how extensively the labrum was torn and 2) stabilize the shoulder to decrease the liklihood of further injures. Yes the Jackets picked him, that doesn't mean that he will automatically be a bust because something happened to him. Look at the vaunted Galchenyuk who we "should" have picked, a guy who destroyed his ACL endangering his skating ability, that more significant injury was nothing to worry about, but this more minor shoulder injury is a deathblow to the kids career.
I disagree. In order of severity, among common impairing injuries (which would cause time to be missed):
- Muscle pull
- Broken large bone
- Broken small bone
- Torn ligament
- Ruptured tendon
- Cartilage injury
- Nerve damage

Specifically speaking, the cartilage in the shoulder is not something that's been able to be effectively tackled. The knee (meniscus), sure. There have been hundreds of thousands of chances to experiment and refine the ability to treat a meniscus injury.

Since shoulder cartilage (labrum) injuries are much less common, the same doesn't hold true. The much greater range of motion in the shoulder also presents its own unique challenges; it's a similar setup as the hip, but the joint itself is much more shallow. 10 years ago, doctors were experimenting with something called thermal capsular shrinkage, which involved using a probe to heat and scorch the tissue within the joint capsule to shrink it to its proper size.

The other problem is that shoulder injuries have a tendency to just feel a bit off even when healthy. The labrum frays over time, which increases the chance of a future dislocation with further damage to the cartilage.

(Source: I've dislocated my shoulder repeatedly, the last time over 10 years ago, and it never has felt quite right. In my case, there was minor nerve damage, which continues to cause problems occasionally)

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11-21-2012, 03:55 PM
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Pretty spot on, MB. The tear in his labrum is supposed to be a fairly small one, one that should heal back to 100% over time. The CBJ doctors will make the final decision with Ryan in regards to surgery after the weekend, so at this point they aren't even sure if the tear is that bad.

We had a guy on our rec team tear his labrum early last season. It was actually hilarious - he was being hooked, and even though a penalty was being called, he turned around, frustrated, attempted to slough-foot the opponent, missed, and tripped himself, landing awkwardly onto his shoulder. He missed the rest of the hockey season (around 5 months) after surgery.

Edit: Yes, we laugh at these sorts of things in rec league hockey. We're all heartless jerks.

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11-27-2012, 10:23 AM
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Murray to have the surgery, out for 6 months.

Sucks to see him injured in such a goon league. 1/2 the players are career junior hockey players just trying to injure other people and don't really care.

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11-27-2012, 07:08 PM
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Murray to have the surgery, out for 6 months.

Sucks to see him injured in such a goon league. 1/2 the players are career junior hockey players just trying to injure other people and don't really care.
/win

Hopefully he can make a full recovery. When I first heard about the injury, my assumption was that it was going to be something serious like this. The lost year of development sucks - especially not playing in the WJCs - but, hopefully there will be some silver lining ... at least now he won't be rushed to the NHL in a lockout shortened circumstance?

I'm digging...

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11-27-2012, 07:26 PM
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At least we don't have to rush him to the NHL like we would have done in the past. With our current D and guys like Erixon and Moore ready to step up Murray can either play his way onto the team or can be sent to the AHL/CHL (not sure if age would allow AHL) to continue playing. Also, as has been said the biggest asset of Murray's game isn't his shot or how physically he plays it is his mind and his skating neither of which was diminished by this injury.

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Also, a potential silver lining. Apparently the injury was suffered last February and had been something Murray was dealing with since before the draft and during his play this year. (meaning that his strong performance last year in the world championship and his points streak this year were done while dealing with an injury) Its nice seeing evidence that the kid is a warrior, and it should be interesting to see what a fully healthy Murray looks like after his recovery.

http://bluejacketsxtra.dispatch.com/...r-surgery.html


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11-27-2012, 09:56 PM
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Murray to have the surgery, out for 6 months.

Sucks to see him injured in such a goon league. 1/2 the players are career junior hockey players just trying to injure other people and don't really care.
No kidding. I've heard the stories of the Saskatoon Blades' old third line of Kelly Chase, Tony Twist, and Kevin Kaminski...not exactly snipers, those three. If someone got moved up, Kerry Clark filled in. Clearly a league without real NHL players.


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"The doctor at the rink wanted to put it back in place, but I wouldn't let him touch me," Murray said. "When I got to the emergency room, they put me under before putting it in place. They didn't have those drugs at the rink."

As someone who had his elbow get dislocated, OUCH! I can't imagine getting it set without any anesthetic.

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11-28-2012, 05:46 PM
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Hi everybody,

With Boone Jenner's offensive explosion this year (leads the OHL with 25 goals) has he changed your mind as to what he can be. I honestly thought he would be a great third line guy, but after this year I'm wondering if we might have a guy like Kesler. Thoughts?

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Hi everybody,

With Boone Jenner's offensive explosion this year (leads the OHL with 25 goals) has he changed your mind as to what he can be. I honestly thought he would be a great third line guy, but after this year I'm wondering if we might have a guy like Kesler. Thoughts?
I think we should temper our expectations of him. I think he'll be a good 3rd line center, like I thought when we drafted him. Maybe he turns out like Umberger, that would be beyond my expectations though. If he turned out like Kesler, that would be quite a bit beyond what I expected.

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11-28-2012, 07:19 PM
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I think we should temper our expectations of him. I think he'll be a good 3rd line center, like I thought when we drafted him. Maybe he turns out like Umberger, that would be beyond my expectations though. If he turned out like Kesler, that would be quite a bit beyond what I expected.
Agreed. If we can come away with an above average 3rd line player in Boone, I think we consider that pick a success.

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I think we should temper our expectations of him. I think he'll be a good 3rd line center, like I thought when we drafted him. Maybe he turns out like Umberger, that would be beyond my expectations though. If he turned out like Kesler, that would be quite a bit beyond what I expected.
Agreed here as well

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11-28-2012, 08:57 PM
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Big numbers in juniors don't always equate to the same in the NHL, especially for CBJ prospects. I can't wait to watch Jenner develop into a checking or scoring line center, he has leadership material written all over him.

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Big numbers in juniors don't always equate to the same in the NHL, especially for CBJ prospects. I can't wait to watch Jenner develop into a checking or scoring line center, he has leadership material written all over him.
I agree. I think Jenner COULD be an impact center at the NHL level. But there's a great ways to go yet obviously and nothing is for granted.

What I can say is I think he has the attitude needed to succeed. What his performance right now shows is two things I think:

1. The odds of him becoming a 3rd line center at the NHL level, while already pretty good, have just gotten better. (He isn't necessarily going to be a top performer, but is more of a sure thing to have a role in the NHL in some capacity). To put it another way, his ceiling may not be going up but his floor is.

2. He has the ability to add an offensive element to his game. Question is, can he do it against grown men?

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The thing with Boone has always been that his work ethic far out paces his skillset, and that's what's going on in the OHL. It's somewhat typical for 19 or 20 year olds to dominate in junior. Simply put, they are the bigger, stronger, more experienced men of junior hockey. Boone Jenner definitely has some skill (after all, he was picked in the second round!), but it's his work ethic that has him getting his chances right now.

I remember when the Phoenix Coyotes drafted a 19 year old that had just led the WHL in scoring, a kid who was the talk of the prospects board for many moons. Colin Long never really had much of a shot to play in the NHL, but if you asked anybody who "knew" about him when he was still playing junior hockey, he was the next Denis Savard.

Boone's size and work ethic will afford him a spot on the Jackets, whenever NHL hockey resumes. If his scoring translates, great ... but if not, we drafted a guy with excellent tangible assets, a good, hard working kid that wants to be a winner.

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