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06-02-2012, 02:43 AM
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If Burke gives up the #5 pick for Luongo, then he needs his head examined.

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06-02-2012, 02:55 AM
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I was only saying what gardiner might be worth now
But if you're looking at it that way, Schenn's probably worth more of a mid to late first now.

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06-02-2012, 03:03 AM
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Maybe the Oilers do it for Eberle. Gives them pieces on Defense to build around and the ability to draft another high pick to add some depth. Leafs get the best player in the deal who has sky high potential but is potentially made a bit redundant in Edmonton with Yakupov going #1.
Not that the value is not there for Eberle its even a overpayment imo , but Oilers would never do it because his best buddy Hall would bolt as soon as a free agent. They would for Yakupov though

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06-02-2012, 03:07 AM
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But if you're looking at it that way, Schenn's probably worth more of a mid to late first now.
I would be surprised if any GM considered giving a 1st for Schenn, to be honest.

That package might be able to get Jordan Stall, if he really wants out of Pittsburgh. Or, I bet you could get Derek Roy. So not a real #1C, as teams don't give those away, but a good #2, with some extenuating circumstances.

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06-02-2012, 05:51 AM
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What would that package get you a #1 centre or like those dreamers think luongo
To LA

Gardiner
schenn
5th overall
Nikolai Kulemin
2nd Rounder


To Toronto

Slava Voynov
Anze Kopitar
Jonathan Bernier

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06-02-2012, 06:16 AM
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To LA

Gardiner
schenn
5th overall
Nikolai Kulemin
2nd Rounder


To Toronto

Slava Voynov
Anze Kopitar
Jonathan Bernier
I would do that in a heartbeat if i was Burke.

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06-02-2012, 06:22 AM
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What would that package get you a #1 centre or like those dreamers think luongo
That package is worth a high-end #1C..... but the teams that have those arent trading them. So it's a non-starter

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06-02-2012, 06:29 AM
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That package is worth a high-end #1C..... but the teams that have those arent trading them. So it's a non-starter
one team would do it and that is LA they have richards and carter so they can offend to trade Anze Kopitar

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06-02-2012, 06:39 AM
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one team would do it and that is LA they have richards and carter so they can offend to trade Anze Kopitar
I get that separating Carter and Richards was traumatic the last time around, but really, out of those three LA would chose to trade Kopitar first? Is that what we are working with?

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06-02-2012, 06:58 AM
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It's an interesting discussion. If you're looking for centremen that this package could garner, I could see you maybe getting:

- Duchene
- Skinner
- Marleau
- Johansen
- Getzlaf (probably not)
- P. Kane (not a true centre)
- Huberdeau
- Strome
- E. Kane

- J.Staal+
- M. Johansson +

It's a premier package of assets, and you should expect a #1 centre for a large number of years as the basis of the deal.

Whether or not these players or Luongo would make a bigger impact for the Leafs is a different discussion.

EDIT: Probably not what you want to hear, but you could also get Seguin for that.


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06-02-2012, 07:07 AM
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Let's see 5th pick
schenn top ten pick
gardiner topten pick
this is more then enough to get you a 1st pick
Tavares stamkos
That's a nice package but will not get you Tavares or Stamkos.

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06-02-2012, 07:12 AM
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Leader in d-man hits, rookie dman pointleader, and a 5th overall pick.. ******* off OP, this is just going to be a thread that others say, oh I'll give my 1B centre because GMs don't trade Great 1As.. near value of one of those 1As, but they don't get traded.


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06-02-2012, 07:21 AM
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It's an interesting discussion. If you're looking for centremen that this package could garner, I could see you maybe getting:

- Duchene
- Skinner
- Marleau

- Johansen
- Getzlaf (probably not)
- P. Kane (not a true centre)
- Huberdeau
- Strome
- E. Kane
It's a premier package of assets, and you should expect a #1 centre for a large number of years as the basis of the deal.
Whether or not these players or Luongo would make a bigger impact for the Leafs is a different discussion.
F the Strome one, 5th OVR from last year so we give those 2 for 1 year.. not even a projected 1A, maybe 1B
Bolded=Hell no.
Bold-Underline=Only if you add in a thing like WIN 1st or Mcneill+2nd
Underline=Maybe with a bit more, but they're still only prospects so no
R.Getz=Maybe if he was younger, but we could probably get a 1C(with the draft pick) and keep the 2 instead of 1 year of him
And if you are hinting to Luongo for the pack.. GTFO..


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06-02-2012, 07:37 AM
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I'm not saying you'd be getting full value, but under the criteria of looking for potential #1C, this is all you could get.

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06-02-2012, 10:35 AM
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gardiner has become the leaf's new kulemin. one okay season and the kid is untouchable. lol, we'll see how he develops.

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06-02-2012, 10:36 AM
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For Luongo? Surely you jest, sir.

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Let's see 5th pick
schenn top ten pick
gardiner topten pick
this is more then enough to get you a 1st pick
Tavares stamkos
Schenn and Gardiner are highly questionable...and NYI and Tampa would laugh if you offered them that for either of those players.

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06-02-2012, 12:02 PM
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What would that package get you a #1 centre or like those dreamers think luongo
theres no chance at all that luongo will fetch back anything remotely close to this value... and imho it would be enough to get both a number 1 center AND Louongo

of course i am not talking about landing a malkin or a crosby. there are alot of centers around the league that would be better then toronto's current options for number 1, but arent elite in that class. the package isnt worth someone that is actually a top 10 first line center.

An example of the type of first line center that would be available though is a guy like david krecji from my bruins. i seriously doubt he is worth more then the number 5 pick and gardiner. so there likely would be a bit of spill over in the deal and that along with schenn is worth roughly what vancouver could get for louongo. there might need to be something else given up.. but whatever the cost, it wouldnt break the bank

personally i wouldnt give up the 5th overall and the kid dmen though. throw some money at a guy like jokkinen instead and patch work the process for another year or two... the teams foundation is being built right and at the very least they will be a playoff team if they do upgrade the goaltending to louongo.

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06-02-2012, 12:17 PM
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one team would do it and that is LA they have richards and carter so they can offend to trade Anze Kopitar
No they would not trade Koptiar. Kopitar may be the least available player the Kings have. He's been a great in the playoffs Carter and Richards do not make him expendable at all. Kopitar could win the Conn Smythe this year.

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06-02-2012, 12:20 PM
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The title of this post should be changed to 3 things Toronto won't trade.

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That package would get you anything. Especially if either galychenuk or grigorenko are still available. Why dont we throw in Reimer or Scrivens and give up a whole potential team core, LOL.

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gardiner has become the leaf's new kulemin. one okay season and the kid is untouchable. lol, we'll see how he develops.
It has more to do with him going sraight from college to the NHL and doing what he did than anything else. This kid should of had to play at least a full year in AHL to get used to playing the schedule and speed/physicality of NA Pro hockey. Not to mention that he didn't even play as a defencemen until high school (I could be wrong about that).

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That package would get you anything. Especially if either galychenuk or grigorenko are still available. Why dont we throw in Reimer or Scrivens and give up a whole potential team core, LOL.
It really wouldn't, even if both were. Gardiner and Schenn simply aren't that good.

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I cannot imagine anyone int their right mind trading for luongo. Horrible contractt. The canucks would have to give up alot to me with him to take him with me even giving up nothing

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