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06-02-2012, 01:03 PM
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06-02-2012, 01:03 PM
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To LA

Gardiner
schenn
5th overall
Nikolai Kulemin
2nd Rounder


To Toronto

Slava Voynov
Anze Kopitar
Jonathan Bernier
Not bad I think..

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06-02-2012, 01:04 PM
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Let's see 5th pick
schenn top ten pick
gardiner topten pick
this is more then enough to get you a 1st pick
Tavares stamkos
No it isn't.Both TB and the NYI have high lottery picks.
Gardiner's a very good young defenseman, but Schenn's a struggling,young defenseman ,making $3.6m and playing on the 3rd pairing.

There isn't a player in this draft that Yzerman or Snow would want badly enough,to move Tavares or Stamkos.That includes Nail,who won't be available at #5.

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06-02-2012, 01:20 PM
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That package would get you anything. Especially if either galychenuk or grigorenko are still available. Why dont we throw in Reimer or Scrivens and give up a whole potential team core, LOL.
no it would not

that package doesnt get Tavares, doesnt get Stamkos. Doesnt get Kopitar , doesnt get Giroux, Crosby and Malkin are not evem mentioned for that......

its an ok package but youre not getting a young superstar for that

the closest would probably be Eberle, and Edmonton would do that, no matter what they say

could you possibly see them turning down the chance to add Ryan Murray, Schenn ,and Gardner and Yakupov in one offseason? no way in hell do they say no

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06-02-2012, 01:25 PM
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[QUOTE=Ciccio1980;50414995]Let's see 5th pick
schenn top ten pick
gardiner topten pick
this is more then enough to get you a 1st pick
Tavares stamkos[/QUOTE]

Yeah....Good luck with that!

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06-02-2012, 01:58 PM
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It really wouldn't, even if both were. Gardiner and Schenn simply aren't that good.
Is someone not happy that you traded a former 7th(?) OVR pick as a cap dump, and then threw in a top prospect that might make it so we get your other top D prospect? Oh I'm sorry, you guys got the all-worldly F.Beauchemin

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06-02-2012, 02:02 PM
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Valuewiese yes, IRL it's a little D-heavy to happen that way, but close. And by close, I mean, change it, not add more. Just before someone gets all redfaced mad.

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06-02-2012, 02:04 PM
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06-02-2012, 02:07 PM
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Actually,

Gardiner
Bozak
5th overall

for

Spezza

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Actually,

Gardiner
Bozak
5th overall

for

Spezza
If you added Lehner maybe

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If you added Lehner maybe
Hells no. Top 5 scorer cmon here

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06-02-2012, 02:12 PM
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Schenn is not being developed properly but what else is new.

Colburne and Kadri arent being developed properly either.

Leafs need to do a prospect dump to give them a chance with new teams that have proper coaching / development.

Leafs can play clutch and grab and finish 9th.

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06-02-2012, 02:16 PM
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Schenn is not being developed properly but what else is new.

Colburne and Kadri arent being developed properly either.

Leafs need to do a prospect dump to give them a chance with new teams that have proper coaching / development.

Leafs can play clutch and grab and finish 9th.
conversely the canucks finish as presidents trophy winners and get knocked out by an 8th seed

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conversely the canucks finish as presidents trophy winners and get knocked out by an 8th seed
They also traded arguably their best prospect (Hodgson) for Kassian.

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[QUOTE=GoTeamDom;50419787]It's an interesting discussion. If you're looking for centremen that this package could garner, I could see you maybe getting:

- Duchene
- Skinner
- Marleau
- Johansen
- Getzlaf (probably not)
- P. Kane (not a true centre)
- Huberdeau
- Strome
- E. Kane

- J.Staal+
- M. Johansson +

It's a premier package of assets, and you should expect a #1 centre for a large number of years as the basis of the deal.

Whether or not these players or Luongo would make a bigger impact for the Leafs is a different discussion.

EDIT: Probably not what you want to hear, but you could also get Seguin for that.[/QUOTE]

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No chance. Seguin is on his way to stardom. You dont trade a 19yr old phenom for Schenn Gardiner & a 5th. Too much uncertainty w/ all those pieces. Schenn has regressed immensely, Gardiner looks good be hasn't proved anything, and the 5th is a crap shoot.

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06-02-2012, 02:28 PM
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To Toronto
D.Bolland
B.Pirri


To Chicago
Schenn
1st in 2013

And next year we draft McKinnon

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Is someone not happy that you traded a former 7th(?) OVR pick as a cap dump, and then threw in a top prospect that might make it so we get your other top D prospect? Oh I'm sorry, you guys got the all-worldly F.Beauchemin
The only part of that trade I still don't like is that we let Beauch go for Wiz in the first place. Lupul couldn't even crack our top six when he was here, and I'm far from sold on Gardiner. Beauchemin's been an absolute stud in Anaheim.

And no, just pointing out that when you say anything, you imply that guys like Crosby and Malkin could be had for that, which they can't. Hell, for that package, I might be inclined to trade Bobby Ryan for it, but realistically it just takes away from our offense and make the defense kind of a cluster****, so I'd still pass.

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To LA

Gardiner
schenn
5th overall
Nikolai Kulemin
2nd Rounder


To Toronto

Slava Voynov
Anze Kopitar
Jonathan Bernier
LOLOL VV and Gardiner kinda cancel each other out (though VV is better) so why have both when they are similar players??

And Kopi is one of 3 Kings untouchables...(DD/Quick), and no way he gets moved outside a center for the Pens...

Kings just finished a rebuild and are gonna get rid of their best player.....in hopes Schenn becomes a player again and the 5th becomes anything? Let alone Kulemin being meh....

Oh and you through JB in there

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To LA

Gardiner
schenn
5th overall
Nikolai Kulemin
2nd Rounder


To Toronto

Slava Voynov
Anze Kopitar
Jonathan Bernier
Gardiner = VV
Kopitar + Bernier > 5th overall + Kulemin + 2nd rounder

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06-02-2012, 03:21 PM
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Let's see 5th pick
schenn top ten pick
gardiner topten pick
this is more then enough to get you a 1st pick
Tavares stamkos
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To LA

Gardiner
schenn
5th overall
Nikolai Kulemin
2nd Rounder


To Toronto

Slava Voynov
Anze Kopitar
Jonathan Bernier
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That package would get you anything. Especially if either galychenuk or grigorenko are still available. Why dont we throw in Reimer or Scrivens and give up a whole potential team core, LOL.
Reading this is actually making me laugh at how much Leaf fans in this thread are overvaluing their players. It's just getting more and more delusional, 'the package is worth Kopitar', 'no it's worth Stamkos', 'NO it's worth ANYTHING!'

Really? The package is:
A #7 Dman who has been a healthy scratch in big games who at times has played like a decent bottom pairing D.
A decent middle pairing D who has the potential of being a really good middle pairing D, possibly #2D.
A 5th overall (possibly Ryan Strome or Nini Niedereiter or Luke Schenn).


There's nothing amazing in this package. Gardiner is the best piece here and he's about equivalent value to Slava Voynov. And then on top of that LA will add Jonathan Bernier, AND Anze Kopitar. OK.

I can't understand how the Leafs have missed the playoffs 8 years straight with their team full of the most valuable pieces in the league.

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To Toronto
D.Bolland
B.Pirri


To Chicago
Schenn
1st in 2013

And next year we draft McKinnon
lol, nice ball shot there.

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Reading this is actually making me laugh at how much Leaf fans in this thread are overvaluing their players. It's just getting more and more delusional, 'the package is worth Kopitar', 'no it's worth Stamkos', 'NO it's worth ANYTHING!'

Really? The package is:
A #7 Dman who has been a healthy scratch in big games who at times has played like a decent bottom pairing D.
A decent middle pairing D who has the potential of being a really good middle pairing D, possibly #2D.
A 5th overall (possibly Ryan Strome or Nini Niedereiter or Luke Schenn).


There's nothing amazing in this package. Gardiner is the best piece here and he's about equivalent value to Slava Voynov. And then on top of that LA will add Jonathan Bernier, AND Anze Kopitar. OK.

I can't understand how the Leafs have missed the playoffs 8 years straight with their team full of the most valuable pieces in the league.
Guess you missed the part where Kulemin and a 2nd were involved.

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Guess you missed the part where Kulemin and a 2nd were involved.
That makes ALL the difference lol

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Guess you missed the part where Kulemin and a 2nd were involved.
Guess you missed the 2011-2012 season where Kulemin had 7 goals...

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Not a superstar for sure but definitely a tier below them. Maybe, someone like Jamie Benn.

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