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02-09-2013, 09:43 PM
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Dietz and Thrower seem to have supplanted Siemens as the go-to guys on the Blades, Dietz has even bumped Siemens off the top PP unit.

Seems like a busted pick so far.

A brutal trade is getting even worse. Nice work Sherman.
A little premature to say that Siemens has busted.

I think a nice update from Renegade Stylings on how Duncan has been playing this season is the best thing that we can hope for. He sees all of their games and even does scouting on the side for the blog "WHL From Above"

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I have only seen a few games recently, but Siemens has looked pretty good lately. I'm looking forward to what he can do in Lake Erie next year. I think there is a possibility he breaks out.
I think it would be a surprise if he breaks out offensively, but it would be a pleasant surprise. I've always limited my hopes for him to being similar to Quincey. Possibly a little better defensively, but less offensive production. A good partner for an offensive or two way guy, and he can skate with the puck, and chip in a little every now and then himself. Maybe like a Hejda when he's playing well. That's my middle ground projection at least. He could certainly be better or worse.


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Dietz and Thrower seem to have supplanted Siemens as the go-to guys on the Blades, Dietz has even bumped Siemens off the top PP unit.

Seems like a busted pick so far.

A brutal trade is getting even worse. Nice work Sherman.
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Thrower has hardly played, between injury and discipline from the team, he's hardly seen any time. He's been very average in the games he has appeared in. Set to return soon from an upper body injury.

Dietz was the team's MVP through the first 15 or so games of the year. Was the best defenceman, was scoring and playing top minutes along with Siemens. Since that time Siemens has really got his feet under him and has been our best defenceman, in my opinion. Really moving his feet and jumping into the rush more lately, which was a big strong point for him in his draft year. He creates big lanes when driving the ice offensively and it's nice to see him doing that a bit more.
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Dietz and Thrower seem to have supplanted Siemens as the go-to guys on the Blades, Dietz has even bumped Siemens off the top PP unit.

Seems like a busted pick so far.

A brutal trade is getting even worse. Nice work Sherman.
Siemens got kicked off the PP? He must be a bust. The logic is strong in this one.

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I think it would be a surprise if he breaks out offensively, but it would be a pleasant surprise. I've always limited my hopes for him to being similar to Quincey. Possibly a little better defensively, but less offensive production. A good partner for an offensive or two way guy, and he can skate with the puck, and chip in a little every now and then himself. Maybe like a Hejda when he's playing well. That's my middle ground projection at least. He could certainly be better or worse.
I haven't seen him that much this year but I was thinking more of a Willie Mitchell than a Jan Hejda.

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Probably not the place for it, but I just read that our old friend Justin Mercier is playing for a German team called the Grizzly Adams Wolfsburg. That's awesome!

BTW, what the hell is up with this photo? He looks like a circus clown who got into a bar brawl.


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I haven't seen him that much this year but I was thinking more of a Willie Mitchell than a Jan Hejda.
Yeah Duncan's been terrific on the defensive side of the game, but I wouldn't compare him to Mitchell, Duncan is a much better skater than Willie.

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Dietz and Thrower seem to have supplanted Siemens as the go-to guys on the Blades, Dietz has even bumped Siemens off the top PP unit.

Seems like a busted pick so far.

A brutal trade is getting even worse. Nice work Sherman.
What? You're way off base.

Siemens has been tasked with shutting down the opposition game in and game out for the past 2 seasons. Dietz is having a great year, but Thrower is having a very disappointing season.

The Blades are on an 8-game winning streak and both Dietz and Siemens are a huge reason why. They've been moved on to the same pairing for basically the first time in 3 seasons and have been great together. It allows Dietz to roam a bit more and Siemens continues to shut players down.

The other night the Blades played Prince Albert and Siemens went head to head with Mark McNeill all night. McNeill was invisible, thanks to Duncan.

As for the PP situation, Duncan was never considered to be an offensive defenceman. In his draft year he saw limited PP time and also saw limited PP time last season. This year, his PP numbers are even further down, but that's just because he doesn't fit the role. Not every player can be good in every area. He's a shutdown D. A hell of a good one at that. He had great numbers in his draft year mainly because of all the secondary assists he got from playing on a super high octane team while on a pairing with the league's best offensive defender at the time in Stefan Elliott. Not many people ever expected those types of numbers to continue from him.


I've said it a bit on here recently but Duncan has been absolutely fantastic since about mid-November. I don't think you could say he's had a "bad game" since that time. He's really just stayed focused on playing a simple game and has been very impressive.


And if I had to compare Duncan to anyone, it would probably be Barret Jackman but a way better skater. He's big, he's mean, he's got leadership qualities and his main role is being an ******* on the ice and shutting down other teams top players.

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Dietz and Thrower seem to have supplanted Siemens as the go-to guys on the Blades, Dietz has even bumped Siemens off the top PP unit.

Seems like a busted pick so far.

A brutal trade is getting even worse. Nice work Sherman.
Hahahaha, fail.

Only thing they did was bump him off the PP unit and Siemens bumped Dietz off the main PK unit.

This post sucks.

Also Siemens is more like Coburn than Mitchell or Hejda.

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What? You're way off base.

Siemens has been tasked with shutting down the opposition game in and game out for the past 2 seasons. Dietz is having a great year, but Thrower is having a very disappointing season.

The Blades are on an 8-game winning streak and both Dietz and Siemens are a huge reason why. They've been moved on to the same pairing for basically the first time in 3 seasons and have been great together. It allows Dietz to roam a bit more and Siemens continues to shut players down.

The other night the Blades played Prince Albert and Siemens went head to head with Mark McNeill all night. McNeill was invisible, thanks to Duncan.

As for the PP situation, Duncan was never considered to be an offensive defenceman. In his draft year he saw limited PP time and also saw limited PP time last season. This year, his PP numbers are even further down, but that's just because he doesn't fit the role. Not every player can be good in every area. He's a shutdown D. A hell of a good one at that. He had great numbers in his draft year mainly because of all the secondary assists he got from playing on a super high octane team while on a pairing with the league's best offensive defender at the time in Stefan Elliott. Not many people ever expected those types of numbers to continue from him.


I've said it a bit on here recently but Duncan has been absolutely fantastic since about mid-November. I don't think you could say he's had a "bad game" since that time. He's really just stayed focused on playing a simple game and has been very impressive.


And if I had to compare Duncan to anyone, it would probably be Barret Jackman but a way better skater. He's big, he's mean, he's got leadership qualities and his main role is being an ******* on the ice and shutting down other teams top players.
Nice response RS. I was thinking Duncan's draft year offense is kind of similar to Rutkowski's this year- a result of playing on a very stacked team. Not glad we gave up TR's rights but I do think his offensive production is magnified by the force that is the Winterhawks.

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Dietz and Thrower seem to have supplanted Siemens as the go-to guys on the Blades, Dietz has even bumped Siemens off the top PP unit.

Seems like a busted pick so far.

A brutal trade is getting even worse. Nice work Sherman.


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What? You're way off base.

Siemens has been tasked with shutting down the opposition game in and game out for the past 2 seasons. Dietz is having a great year, but Thrower is having a very disappointing season.

The Blades are on an 8-game winning streak and both Dietz and Siemens are a huge reason why. They've been moved on to the same pairing for basically the first time in 3 seasons and have been great together. It allows Dietz to roam a bit more and Siemens continues to shut players down.

The other night the Blades played Prince Albert and Siemens went head to head with Mark McNeill all night. McNeill was invisible, thanks to Duncan.

As for the PP situation, Duncan was never considered to be an offensive defenceman. In his draft year he saw limited PP time and also saw limited PP time last season. This year, his PP numbers are even further down, but that's just because he doesn't fit the role. Not every player can be good in every area. He's a shutdown D. A hell of a good one at that. He had great numbers in his draft year mainly because of all the secondary assists he got from playing on a super high octane team while on a pairing with the league's best offensive defender at the time in Stefan Elliott. Not many people ever expected those types of numbers to continue from him.


I've said it a bit on here recently but Duncan has been absolutely fantastic since about mid-November. I don't think you could say he's had a "bad game" since that time. He's really just stayed focused on playing a simple game and has been very impressive.


And if I had to compare Duncan to anyone, it would probably be Barret Jackman but a way better skater. He's big, he's mean, he's got leadership qualities and his main role is being an ******* on the ice and shutting down other teams top players.
Thanks for the report. If what you are saying is the case, then Duncan is developing exactly as I envisioned. When we drafted him, I was hoping for Adam Foote V 2.0. And it sounds like he is becoming just that except a better skating version. We need a nasty, hard to play against, decent skating, leader type on the back end.

Now if we could just get either Barrie or Elliott to become Ozolinsh V 2.0 then things might get better quickly on the back end.

I actually think that Elliott will get significantly better if he can get some playing time with Seimens again. I just feel that they compliment each other perfectly.

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Siemens is eligible for the AHL next year, right?

I'm excited to see how he plays with Elliot or Barrie at that level.

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Siemens is eligible for the AHL next year, right?

I'm excited to see how he plays with Elliot or Barrie at that level.
Agreed, by the sounds of how well Siemens has developed his Defensive game, and how well he and Elliott played with each other, that could be the makings for a fantastic 1st/2nd pairing for us down the road. Both players compliment each others styles and make each other better.

Elliott just has to get his confidence back, which he seems to have done a bit in the AHL recently.

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BTW, what the hell is up with this photo? He looks like a circus clown who got into a bar brawl.

Did Mercier shave an eyebrow? They're umm..not equal.

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Siemens is eligible for the AHL next year, right?

I'm excited to see how he plays with Elliot or Barrie at that level.
Yes, he is.

And I would assume that he will play the vast majority of the year in the AHL while getting the chance to play a small handful of games in the NHL throughout the year.

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Yes, he is.

And I would assume that he will play the vast majority of the year in the AHL while getting the chance to play a small handful of games in the NHL throughout the year.
If he has a good camp, i can see him getting up to the 9-game tryout to see how he does in real games. However I do expect him to be sent down to adjust to the pro game.

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If he has a good camp, i can see him getting up to the 9-game tryout to see how he does in real games. However I do expect him to be sent down to adjust to the pro game.
That is my expectation as well. I think he and Elliott will be given a chance to rebuild their chemistry together and it seems like the Avs are planning for them to be our second pairing down the line anyways.

If Siemens can become a quick skating shutdown defender than he is far from being a bust.

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If he has a good camp, i can see him getting up to the 9-game tryout to see how he does in real games. However I do expect him to be sent down to adjust to the pro game.
There is no "9 game tryout" for Siemens next year. He will have a year off his contract either way whether hes with the Avs or in the AHL.

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There is no "9 game tryout" for Siemens next year. He will have a year off his contract either way whether hes with the Avs or in the AHL.
Yeah you are right with that. Not sure what I was thinking of.

Regardless I still think he will be given every opportunities to make it considering our need on the left side so yes I think he will be given a few games to show what he has...if he has a good camp of course.

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Can someone explain to me why a 21 year old Tyson Barrie with lots of defensive holes in his game, has been with the Avs now for literally one month, and has played three games?

Why the F is he not getting playing time with Lake Erie? What the F is wrong with Sacco? This kid is not going to get better by osmosis, or suddenly figure out how he needs to play by just watching from the stands.

He did the same crap last year with both him and Elliott. it's like he's personally trying to kill their development.

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Can someone explain to me why a 21 year old Tyson Barrie with lots of defensive holes in his game, has been with the Avs now for literally one month, and has played three games?

Why the F is he not getting playing time with Lake Erie? What the F is wrong with Sacco? This kid is not going to get better by osmosis, or suddenly figure out how he needs to play by just watching from the stands.

He did the same crap last year with both him and Elliott. it's like he's personally trying to kill their development.
Hunwick was injured in practice this weekend, Barrie is starting tonight. The Hockey Gods have overridden Sacco's stubborn streak, all is well.

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Can someone explain to me why a 21 year old Tyson Barrie with lots of defensive holes in his game, has been with the Avs now for literally one month, and has played three games?

Why the F is he not getting playing time with Lake Erie? What the F is wrong with Sacco? This kid is not going to get better by osmosis, or suddenly figure out how he needs to play by just watching from the stands.

He did the same crap last year with both him and Elliott. it's like he's personally trying to kill their development.
Isn't it obvious? Sacco knows this incestous organisation. The better the Monsters do the more he has to fear for his job. So he ruins Elliott and Barrie before he sends them down and let the LE coach deal with the mess he created.

Smart move Joe!

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Isn't it obvious? Sacco knows this incestous organisation. The better the Monsters do the more he has to fear for his job. So he ruins Elliott and Barrie before he sends them down and let the LE coach deal with the mess he created.

Smart move Joe!
I don't know about that. Apparently the way to get promoted in the Avs coaching hierarchy, is to have a losing record with The Monsters. He may not have thought this through enough.

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Was just doing some research for my game tonight and dug this up.

Duncan Siemens and Darren Dietz have been paired together for Saskatoon since January 23rd. Since that time the Blades have gone 8-1, outscoring the opposition 43-14 in that span. The two really play off each other well as it allows Dietz to roam and Siemens to hang back and defend.

Siemens has 3 assists and 12 PIMs in that time as both players sit +14 in those 9 games. Impressive stuff.

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