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Nail Yakupov General Discussion Thread Part 2: Yodeling for Yakupov.

View Poll Results: What should the Oilers do with the 1st overall?
Draft Yakupov 281 90.35%
Trade down in the draft 23 7.40%
Trade the pick for an established NHLer 7 2.25%
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06-04-2012, 02:18 PM
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Stu Magregor just have the 5 candidates the Oilers are still considering for number 1 overalll on Oilers NOW.

Yakupov
Grigerenko
Murray
Forsburg
Reinhart.

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Can you please show me how many times in the past 5 seasons this has happened after the conclusion of a season, before a draft?

(This doesn't include Kessel for the Seguin pick).


Thx thx.

Since the salary cap has come into play, I think it's even less likely a top 5 pick gets traded. Developing your own talent is so important to being successful in today's NHL.

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06-04-2012, 02:28 PM
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Since the salary cap has come into play, I think it's even less likely a top 5 pick gets traded. Developing your own talent is so important to being successful in today's NHL.
Ya!


It's why it's so asinine anyone would complain that tambo hasn't done it.

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06-04-2012, 02:30 PM
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Anyone else jacked that bum Prendergast is no longer with the oilers. Not even because Stu is doing a good job just because outdated attitudes like this would still be making decisions. Him on sportsnet saying it doesnt matter who is better oilers need to draft a dman.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2012/...ockey_hearsay/

It talks about a bunch of stuff, just scroll to the part talkin about oilers

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06-04-2012, 02:32 PM
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Stu Magregor just have the 5 candidates the Oilers are still considering for number 1 overalll on Oilers NOW.

Yakupov
Grigerenko
Murray
Forsburg
Reinhart.
Yeah...just like last year they had 4-5 solid candidates for #1.


We all knew, and again know now, who the best prospect is.

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Anyone else jacked that bum Prendergast is no longer with the oilers. Him on sportsnet saying it doesnt matter who is better oilers need a dman.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2012/...ockey_hearsay/

It talks about a bunch of stuff, just scroll to the part talkin about oilers
after his body of work with us...why does anyone even talk to him, let alone hire him in the business of hockey.

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06-04-2012, 02:32 PM
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IF the Oilers were to make a play for a second pick in the top ten/five, I'd think Whitney would be the key piece in jump-starting such a series of transactions.

After all, despite a rough season, he played almost 21 minutes a night and demonstrated an acclimation to a more defensive style of play should his footspeed never quite return. Couple that with the fact he's signed, under 30 and the recipient of a surgery that notoriously requires a full year of recovery and I think he's worth a 1st rounder.

Think that's crazy? Check out Kyle Quincey: 54 GP, 23 pts, -1 rating and he returned a 1st from Detroit. Whitney, of course, had 20 points in 51 games and his -19 was more a reflection of the team than of his own play.

So, let's say you offer Whitney to a team like Tampa. They have just four defensemen under contract for next year- one of which is MA Bergeron, and one of which is probably done as a top-four (Ohlund). For argument's sake, let's say Whitney and a 3rd for 19th overall (DET).

If the purpose of a second top-ten pick is to grab a center, Sam Gagner immediately becomes the odd man out. Looking to a similar trade from a few years ago, the Sharks jumped from 12 to 8 in 2005 for a 2nd and a 7th rounder. Thus, Gagner, 19th probably gets you a return call from a team in the 9-11 range. Maybe the Caps think it's a golden opportunity to shore up center while also re-filling the prospect pool; maybe Winnipeg seeks out more NHL players. In any case, I think a second pick could be had.

From there- and this is getting greedy- going from 9-11 to 4-7 wouldn't cost a great deal, and Tambellini has enough pieces to work with (future picks, prospects, fringe roster players). Does 32nd + 11th get Toronto's attention? How about NYI?

To look at it in sum total, Whitney + Gagner + 2nd + 3rd rounder isn't a staggering total of assets if it means this:

Hall-RNH-Eberle
Hemsky-Galchenyuk/Grigorenko-Yakupov
Smyth-Horcoff-Jones
Hartikainen/Paajarvi-Lander/Belanger-Petrell
Eager, Lander/Belanger

F (Wideman?)-Schultz
Smid-Petry
Sutton-Potter
Peckham

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06-04-2012, 02:34 PM
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Anyone else jacked that bum Prendergast is no longer with the oilers. Not even because Stu is doing a good job just because outdated attitudes like this would still be making decisions. Him on sportsnet saying it doesnt matter who is better oilers need to draft a dman.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2012/...ockey_hearsay/

It talks about a bunch of stuff, just scroll to the part talkin about oilers
One of the best things to happen to this orginization is getting rid of that trainwreck.

Also, the poll results so far make me very happy.

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06-04-2012, 02:36 PM
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Yeah...just like last year they had 4-5 solid candidates for #1.


We all knew, and again know now, who the best prospect is.



after his body of work with us...why does anyone even talk to him, let alone hire him in the business of hockey.
Interesting that Macgregor mentioned that at this time in the last two years they did not have that many candidates. According to Macgregor.

When Hall was drafted it was Hall-Seguin.
For RNH, it was RNH, Landesgog and Larsson

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06-04-2012, 02:37 PM
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that last one isnt happening at all


whitney probably not either, although i do think you could move further up with 19+gagner...what CAR pick? 7?

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06-04-2012, 03:08 PM
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This is completely hypothetical, as I do believe the Oilers will select Yakupov. But my question is, if they DO pick someone else, who would you be the most understanding about?

For me it would be Grigorenko. No matter what name they call, if it isn't Yakupov, I will be furious. But if they take Grigorenko, it tells me that they felt there were no character issues, and that he has the best long-term potential. If they were to claim that they feel he could be the best, I would be okay with a big center with tons of skill.

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06-04-2012, 03:16 PM
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This is completely hypothetical, as I do believe the Oilers will select Yakupov. But my question is, if they DO pick someone else, who would you be the most understanding about?

For me it would be Grigorenko. No matter what name they call, if it isn't Yakupov, I will be furious. But if they take Grigorenko, it tells me that they felt there were no character issues, and that he has the best long-term potential. If they were to claim that they feel he could be the best, I would be okay with a big center with tons of skill.
Galchenyuk for me.

At 34-1 this pool is just a little too close for my tastes.


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06-04-2012, 03:23 PM
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This is completely hypothetical, as I do believe the Oilers will select Yakupov. But my question is, if they DO pick someone else, who would you be the most understanding about?

For me it would be Grigorenko. No matter what name they call, if it isn't Yakupov, I will be furious. But if they take Grigorenko, it tells me that they felt there were no character issues, and that he has the best long-term potential. If they were to claim that they feel he could be the best, I would be okay with a big center with tons of skill.
Forsberg

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Oilers are down to 5 players for #1 overall pick according to Head Scout Stu MacGregor: Yakupov, Grigorenko, Forsberg, Murray, Reinhart.

Mods, please merge if this should live somewhere else.

Any surprises there?

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Oilers are down to 5 players for #1 overall pick according to Head Scout Stu MacGregor: Yakupov, Grigorenko, Forsberg, Murray, Reinhart.

Mods, please merge if this should live somewhere else.

Any surprises there?
That Reinhart is there instead of Galchenyuk.....

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it's all posturing. like the last two drafts, they know exactly who they are taking and it's yakupov

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06-04-2012, 03:31 PM
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Oilers are down to 5 players for #1 overall pick according to Head Scout Stu MacGregor: Yakupov, Grigorenko, Forsberg, Murray, Reinhart.

Mods, please merge if this should live somewhere else.

Any surprises there?
Are you kidding??

Being "down to 5 players for #1 overall pick" is the surprising part.

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06-04-2012, 03:32 PM
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Yakupov seems to have a much different demeanor than Hall when it comes to media presentation. He's more of the goofy, fun loving type who will say anything and not care what anybody thinks similar to Ovy. Hall is more serious and politically correct when it comes to interviews similar to Toews although Hall is less uptight.
Yakupov can work on his media skills of course but he and Hall are nothing alike when it comes to talking to the media and i think that we've seen enough Yakupov interviews by now to get a proper guage of his personality.

I personally love Yakupov's personality and think that he is exactly what we need on this team but I just think that Tambellini and Stu aren't a fan of "characters" like Yakupov, they seem to like the more humble down to earth types like Murray.
Lowe seems to like the outgoing type of personality so it'll be interesting to see if he has any influence in regards to who will be picked.
Maybe it's just me but based on interviews, I don't get the sense that Yakupov is cocky. seguin was cocky and also a huge doucher, Hall was confident and had a huge desire to win, AND could back it up with 2 memorial cups and an MVP.

Yakupov himself even said he hasnt won anything so he can't be compared to anyone else.

I dunno, I don't think his personality is a negative.

They have one chance to draft a Yakupov, and 6 more chances/rounds to draft D.

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Well considering we'll be getting both Yakupov and Murray this year I wouldn't worry about it.

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Well, Stu obviously doesn't listen to - or care about - pre draft rankings. He starts from scratch and acts as if no one has ever heard of any of these players.

let him discover Yakupov in his own I guess.

In Stu we trust, unless he passes on Yak. if Yak turns into a bust I still would never blame Stu.

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im pretty sure it went like this...............


Stu: ok i have my guy, let go around the table and see who everyone likes

blind guy with no ears: "ryan murray"
foriegn kid with sweater vest and green slacks with velcro shoes: "i pick grigorenko"
griffin reinharts grandma: "i pick griffy"
treenasoil+some swedish poster on hfoil: "forsberg 100%"

Stu: "im taking yakupov, ok well we have our 5, release that to stauffer"

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Anyone else jacked that bum Prendergast is no longer with the oilers. Not even because Stu is doing a good job just because outdated attitudes like this would still be making decisions. Him on sportsnet saying it doesnt matter who is better oilers need to draft a dman.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2012/...ockey_hearsay/

It talks about a bunch of stuff, just scroll to the part talkin about oilers
i see your idiodic point KP and i raise you jesse ninnimaki

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i see your idiodic point KP and i raise you jesse ninnimaki
and before you reply KP shove this mikinhov down your throat........and steve kelly.............and pooleeot...............jf jock.................

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Everyone knows it's really down to 2 anyways. Murray nad Yakupov...

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Everyone knows it's really down to 2 anyways. Murray nad Yakupov...
Why Murray? Forsberg has been getting a lot of positive attention. and Grigorenko seems to be back in the positive light again. I'll agree that Murray is in the mix though

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